[volkman10]

Originally Posted by 14000rpm

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That said, I did like the Genius mktg line - ''Faster than a 911 while towing a 911''.

Tesla Cybertruck’s race against a Porsche 911 was apparently an 1/8-mile run.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk claimed that the race was a quarter mile, but a satellite view of the drag strip tells a different story.

But as it turns out, the race—if its entirety was shown—was filmed on was over a much shorter eighth-mile distance. And with the Porsche creeping up on the Cybertruck’s tail as it crossed the finish line, the outcome of a race held over a full quarter-mile may not have been the same.

happened to notice that the race was held at the now-closed Sacramento Raceway. When comparing the stills from Tesla’s footage, it can be seen that the Cybertruck and Porsche were set up to race across the first set of thick lines painted on the track, which are placed at the eighth-mile marker alongside the grandstands. (Those are not present at the quarter-mile markings on the track.) Yet during the press conference, even Tesla CEO Elon Musk was adamant that it was a proper quarter-mile drag.

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[14000rpm]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Tesla Cybertruck’s race against a Porsche 911 was apparently an 1/8-mile run.

Thanks. Its Elon. He will say/do anything to prove a point.

[svsantosh]

I really wish the make all-carbon-fiber model, smaller and 'lighter' battery/range (250Kms max range), Track Monster, unlocked ECU for max power. It will be a Hoonigan beater. Gosh, I wish Ken Block were alive to drive this truck!

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by 14000rpm

Thanks. Its Elon. He will say/do anything to prove a point.

But Cybertruck will still win against a 911 in 1/4 mile.
But when its towing a 911 on a non aero optimised trailer, the drag will be high as the speed builds up.

Also the Cybertruck was still doing this with a A/T tire, while the 911 was using a On road sports tire. If you put a On-Road sports tire on the Cybertruck the 911 will be much further behind.

All the 0-60 and 1/4 mile time of the Cybertruck was done with A/T tire.

[EeshanChatterje]

Agreed! Faster than a 911, but also importantly, it's stiffness rating is right around the 911 - so you still get that planted ride! That is mind-blowing for a pickup, every other pick up in the world will toss you around like a tennis ball when driven hard!

[kiku007]

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

So this “impossible to make”, “vapourware” has finally been launched.

From someone who hated the Cybertruck, when it was first unveiled almost 4 years back, to the core, so much so that I was evaluating my investment in Tesla to being the thing that I want most right now, I have come along and i am pretty sure others would too. This thing is bonkers wild!

I have been skeptic of the Cybertruck (CT) and I still am skeptical about its mass production or commercial success. I think it looks like a moving refrigerator and it's ugly. These are my subjective opinions and not facts.

However, after watching the below videos I see that the CT's beauty and brilliance is actually beneath the silly steel exterior. For sometime filter out the noise caused by Elon Musk, the 911 drag-race, claimed versus actual range and pricepoint. Look deeper into the engineering behind it to gain a better understanding of the CT as a project.

There's hours and hours of quality fact based discussions which are overlayed with expert opinions. It's really fascinating. After watching, I'm interested to see the technology transfer from the CT to other Tesla products and possibly even other automakers.

As a standalone product, I'm not excited about the CT. I mean, none of the videos or reviews (I saw) actually use or test the CT as the utilitarian Ford F-150. The response being that we all know the CT is going to be the urban mall crawler. When you have Reddit co-founder and former executive chairman Alexis Ohanian, say this about his CT, “I am gonna be the coolest dad dropping my daughter off at school,” he said while adding the vehicle feels smooth and drives a lot like Tesla’s Model X. “It feels insane,” he added. One can laugh or hate the statement but that's the reality.

My point is that after the novelty wears off, people will really think before plonking $100K on the CT. This has happened in the past. From being the coolest thing to have, Tesla cars have become the Corolla/Camry replacement on the roads. Not a bad thing but if one's intention is to look cool in it then, oops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6WDq0V5oBg&t=1s

Initially I wondered why Jason and Hagerty are doing a product launch video/advertorial for Tesla. There was a sense of fanboyism and I was disappointed to an extent. So much so that TST's Matt went on the offensive and accused Jason of selling out which became an internet drama and the podcast was since removed. Jason came on TST's podcast and had a face-2-face objective discussion with Matt to refute the allegations which is quite rare in this age. Respectfully disagreeing is still a thing. Nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz1MKczbMPs&t=3120s

Jack, MKBHD and Jason were the only three people in the world who got to drive the CT before the handover and they discuss their opinions quite openly in the below video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aE58AMIw0

There's more than a dozen reasons to be critical of the CT but there are a couple of reasons to not ignore the engineering and technology inside it. IMHO don't miss to notice those.

P.S: I liked this line from Zak in one of those videos. The CT doesn't look futuristic. It represents what people in the 1980s thought the future would be.

[Raskolnikov.R]

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ng-suspension/

Tesla blamed drivers for failures of parts it long knew were defective
Wheels falling off cars at speed. Suspensions collapsing on brand-new vehicles. Axles breaking under acceleration. Tens of thousands of customers told Tesla about a host of part failures on low-mileage cars. The automaker sought to blame drivers for vehicle ‘abuse,’ but Tesla documents show it had tracked the chronic ‘flaws’ and ‘failures’ for years.

By HYUNJOO JIN, KEVIN KROLICKI, MARIE MANNES and STEVE STECKLOW - Reuters News - Filed Dec. 20, 2023, 11 a.m. GMT

[volkman10]

Tesla Cybertruck’s range falls 21% short of EPA estimate in real world tTest.

Tesla says that this truck should have a maximum range of 320 miles but it managed only 254 miles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCEe...ofSpecMotoring

[SKC-auto]

Tesla CT not faster than a Porsche while towing. Always feels great to watch Jason videos.

https://youtu.be/HRYS5VWXZts?si=SAG9qxLEZcR-HAqg

[volkman10]

Tesla's Cybertruck panels can chop off carrots, but what about your fingers?

Among the litany of safety concerns made about the Cybertruck relate to the sharp stainless steel panels that adorn the entire exterior. Not only can the plethora of pointy edges easily scratch a user but this video indicates Tesla has failed to fit pinch sensors to certain areas of the EV.

What this means is that little kids (or adults, for that matter) could be susceptible to getting their fingers cut off if they ever inadvertently close the trunk, doors, or frunk on them.

The reviewers also tested the front of the frunk on the Cybertruck, its doors, and the trunk, and it performed poorly in all of them.

While it seems that Tesla’s truck isn’t particularly friendly to carrots and sausages, a separate test conducted by a Tesla Cybertruck owner (below) indicates that if you place your whole hand in the frunk, it may detect it, but even if it does close, it is unlikely to snap off your fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxpv...tofSpecReviews

[volkman10]

The Tesla Cybertruck has a recall.

A recall has been issued by the NHTSA for over 2 million Teslas for dashboard warning lights with font sizes that are too small.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has issued a recall for nearly 2.2 million Tesla vehicles built between 2012 and 2024, including every Cybertruck, because the car's dashboard warning lights are too small.

"An incorrect font size is displayed on the instrument panel for the Brake, Park, and Antilock Brake System (ABS) warning lights," the recall states. "As such, these vehicles fail to comply with the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard number 105, "Hydraulic and Electric Brake Systems" and 135, "Light Vehicle Brake Systems.""

The recall affects a total of 2,193,869 Teslas, or roughly every Tesla ever sold in the United States.

Because Teslas use screens instead of analog gauge clusters, affected owners won't have to bring their cars to Tesla repair shops to get their vehicle fixed. Instead, Tesla is releasing an over-the-air (OTA) update to resolve the undersized warning lights. The updates are already hitting affected cars, according to the NHTSA.

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Another design flaw with the Cybertruck.

Cybertruck’s flashy aero covers could eat away tire sidewall, Tesla reportedly working on a fix.

The carmaker is now delivering its new truck without the aero covers and is thought to be working on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj_6...%26Accessories

[hpzone]

[quote=volkman10;5711854]The Tesla Cybertruck has a recall.

It’s a pity that media is using all the false narrative against Tesla and many people believe that. This recall was solved by an over the air update and costs almost nothing for Tesla and customers.

I have seen dealerships taking printout of these articles and keeping at the waiting area for customers to change their mind on next Tesla purchase.

[kiku007]

[quote=hpzone;5712470]

Originally Posted by volkman10

The Tesla Cybertruck has a recall.

It’s a pity that media is using all the false narrative against Tesla and many people believe that. This recall was solved by an over the air update and costs almost nothing for Tesla and customers.

I have seen dealerships taking printout of these articles and keeping at the waiting area for customers to change their mind on next Tesla purchase.

It's also a pity that Tesla couldn't do OTA recall/updates for,

• Faulty accelerator pedal assembly
• Windshield wiper motor
• Electric motors
• Cosmetic applique may not stay on the car

That's a lot of non-software related recalls in six months for a $100K+ product!!

As of now the CT is emblematic of many things that are wrong with Tesla. Some of those include,

• Over promise and under deliver.
• Tesla's toxic superfans justifying the failures.
• Build quality issues.

I would have liked to see some of the underlying technological innovations of the CT being implemented in a more conventional (by Tesla standards) and price-competitive product. But hey, what do I know? Apparently they aren't a car company anymore. Tesla superfan stock investors will eat whatever nonsense EM dishes out to them.

End of the day, the real question is how loaded are you to spend $100K to look cool for a few days. If you can afford it, then it's ok I guess.

[extreme_torque]

Originally Posted by kiku007

It's also a pity that Tesla couldn't do OTA recall/updates for,

• Faulty accelerator pedal assembly
• Windshield wiper motor
• Electric motors
• Cosmetic applique may not stay on the car

That's a lot of non-software related recalls in six months for a $100K+ product!!

Here is the list of recalls for the more conventional Rivian and they are as expensive as Tesla if not more. Unlike Tesla, Rivian outsourced a lot of their crucial components including their drive units (from Bosch). Its only now they have come up with their own drive units.
https://www.cars.com/research/rivian/recalls/

Apart from these recalls, there have been number of issues, some serious, some not so much. I am not saying this could be an excuse but I am saying conventional does not mean no issues.

Originally Posted by kiku007

As of now the CT is emblematic of many things that are wrong with Tesla. Some of those include,

• Over promise and under deliver.
• Tesla's toxic superfans justifying the failures.
• Build quality issues.

I would have liked to see some of the underlying technological innovations of the CT being implemented in a more conventional (by Tesla standards) and price-competitive product. But hey, what do I know? Apparently they aren't a car company anymore. Tesla superfan stock investors will eat whatever nonsense EM dishes out to them.

Let the end consumers decide that and I think they have given it is the best selling EV pick already. Too early say perhaps but we will know more
https://electrek.co/2024/07/04/tesla...ckup-truck-us/

Personally speaking, apart from being more expensive than initially announced, I dont see where exactly does it under deliver. It has got full 48v architecture (a first in the world), entirely new exoskeleton construction (a first in the world), structural battery pack (first in the world), cold steel construction (first in the world), entirely new way of stamping the metal panels because it is cold hard steel (first in the world), fully drive by wire steering (first in the world, before you say Infiniti had it first, yes they had it but it also had a physical shaft for redundancy just in case the drive by wire steering stopped working and I owned an Infiniti Q50 in the past with that steering system)apart from other technologies new for Tesla such as rear wheel steering.

Tesla are currently displaying Cybertruck in Melbourne and I went and had a look myself and I can tell you for a fact that these so called build issues are overblown even on this early built vehicle. Surely some of the panel alignment could be improved and there are some rough edges here and there but they are not a deal breaker given how novel the construction is and it is being improved as they scale up production.



Disclaimer: Sitting inside was not allowed therefore I cannot tell you how good or bad it was inside.

Originally Posted by kiku007

End of the day, the real question is how loaded are you to spend $100K to look cool for a few days. If you can afford it, then it's ok I guess.

Personally I would take it over Rivian/Ford in a heartbeat. Its priced similar to a Rivian and I am not so sure about the Ford.

[kiku007]

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Here is the list of recalls for the more conventional Rivian and they are as expensive as Tesla if not more.

My OP was in reply to a post that claimed that the media is overblowing CT OTA recalls.

It’s not a contest between the CT and Rivian R1 on which one got the most recalls. The number of reported recalls are not a good sign, irrespective of being conventional or not. I don’t think all of the CT recalls are related to it being unconventional.

This is the problem with highlighting anything wrong with Tesla. We venture into strawman argument territory and whataboutism.

Let me put it this way. I can’t be expected to be kind to Tesla for solving a problem that should have never existed. I fully understand that the typical Tesla superfan is more forgiving.

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Let the end consumers decide that and I think they have given it is the best selling EV pick already. Too early say perhaps but we will know more

Too early and also based on assumptions. After all, Tesla hasn’t reported the actual CT sales numbers. People had to assume and do some math to even figure out CT sales! May be the geniuses at Tesla cannot create this problem by being transparent, but they won’t and we know why.

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Personally speaking, apart from being more expensive than initially announced, I dont see where exactly does it under deliver.

Come on. It is pretty obvious that the final CT didn’t deliver the promised range, towing capacity, price, and delivery timelines. The details are available in the public domain.

The icing on the cake was people paid more for the Foundation edition and their cars were delivered without the add-on stuff that they paid for.

Having said the above, I do concede that none of this matters for most of the target audience. Like I said in my OP, the CT is bought to look cool and it delivers on that. People either love it or hate it. Either ways attention is guaranteed. I do wonder what will happen when the novelty wears off.

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Tesla are currently displaying Cybertruck in Melbourne and I went and had a look myself and I can tell you for a fact that these so called build issues are overblown even on this early built vehicle. Surely some of the panel alignment could be improved and there are some rough edges here and there but they are not a deal breaker given how novel the construction is and it is being improved as they scale up production.

Personally I would take it over Rivian/Ford in a heartbeat. Its priced similar to a Rivian and I am not so sure about the Ford.

Thanks for the first hand account. Is Tesla planning to sell the CT in Australia in the near future? I’ll be keen to see how the market reacts to it.