[dr_TJ]

Introduction

I happen to own a 2nd Gen Mahindra Thar and coming from the Halogen Projector low beam setup of Ford Ecosport, The Halogen Reflector headlights of the Thar felt inadequate. Another quirk to be noticed is, with Fog lights ON along with the Headlights in Low beam at level 1, there is a dark area between the illumination of the Fog lights and the Headlights low beam.

I got a taste of the Thar's Headlights plus fog lights illumination power during my first Night drive and also after my 500 km road trip.

This made me consider upgrading the setup whichever way possible with stock wiring.
I did check out the other Thar Ownership review threads here in our forum and the official Thar review thread as well.
Information gathered was, Thar has H16 19 watts Fog lights. Fellow BHPian MithunSathianat has made a thread about DIY 3" Bi-Xenon fog lights installation on the 2nd gen Thar. Although his Custom Stainless Steel mounting plate was a worry for me cause I won't be able to get that fabricated back here. Still I decided to give it a try.
His thread was immensely helpful in guiding my DIY installation process albeit with some modifications.
Link to his DIY Thread is here. (DIY: FE Retrofit projector foglamps on my Mahindra Thar (2nd-gen))

The Hunt for the Projectors

Initially I was considering 3" Bi-Xenon Projectors from iPhcar but I was worried about the wiring. As MithunSathianat initially used the stock wiring on his setup but later, he got himself a relay harness. I decided to look out for other options which would be feasible with the stock wiring.

Came across Bi-LED Projector fog lights from iPhcar which according to most sellers are rated at 35W Low beam, 40W high beam, Which is quite weird cause the switching of low beam to high beam just involves a solenoid to flip a shroud behind the projector lens.
Another worry was the color temperature of the LED Projectors, cause with a color temperature of 5500-6000K, it would cause issues in foggy or rainy conditions (Which would be a big irony). And in Assam, I would not be happy with such a situation considering our weather conditions here.

However, I came across another model of the LED projector fog lamps ,from iPhcar again, which has 3 color temperature output (3000K, 4300K and 6000K).



And thankfully I found fellow Bhpian Manuuj, who got these new LED projectors installed on his brand new Force Gurkha. Famously known as Asterix.
I PM'd him through our forum and I got a prompt reply from him regarding the seller (Bindra Motors). The asking price was less compared to the others sellers I contacted earlier.
I thanked him and contacted the seller on WhatsApp.
The next morning, I made the payment, and the seller sent me a video of testing the Projectors and the packed parcel. I got the tracking information in the evening.
Very prompt service.
I did ask the seller about the installation process for the new Thar, to which he replied, We can use the stock mounts for the LED Projectors, will require some trimming.
I received the parcel after 6 days.

Trivia

Once I received the parcel, I was still curious about its power draw situation. Cause if it happens to be 40W, I would have to buy a relay harness as well. So, I decided to test its current draw with my multimeter. I used my 70mai 12V power bank for the required 12V and used the multimeter to check the current in Ampere. As per the multimeter, Voltage of the power bank was measured at 12.6 Volts and the current draw of a Single Projector was at 1.67 Amps, which equals to a approximate power draw of 21 Watts. Yes, for both low and high beams.
So, No more requirement of relay harness.

Installation

Why DIY?

I love the satisfaction of DIY installation on my car. Since I already did DIY replacement of my Thar's AC vents, DIY fog lights installation was next on my mod list.
Yes, requirement of a custom mounting plate was a worry but as per the sellers advise, I was keeping my fingers crossed for the Projectors to work with the stock mounts.

Let's get started

In order to access the fog lights, we need to remove the wheel well plastic lining aka splash guard. The guard is held in place by 6 scrivets. They have a phillips head pattern.
Thankfully, the Thar has good enough space to get to all the 6 scrivets with a phillips head screwdriver (Although with a 1/4" Rachet) with the wheel kept straight albeit with some dirty arms.



Once all the scrivets are removed, The plastic panel comes out and we have full access to the fog light connector and mounting screws.
The Thar has a different type of mounting situation. It is held in place with 3 screws (Phillips head) at three different points and two support/orientation pins.


The Stock fog light held with 3 phillips head screw (Marked in Green). Note the red arrows indicating the stock fog lights leveling screw and a hole to access that from below the bumper without removing the plastic panel. We will need a long phillips head screw driver for this

I disconnect the fog light coupler and unscrew the 3 screws. The fog light is easy enough to remove.
Now, In order to separate the Fog light from the mounting kit, we need to remove the leveling screw and pop the fog light housing out from the two retaining points on the side of the mounting kit.



Now, As per the seller, I can use the stock mounts, so, I started with the trimming process. I used a wire cutter to cut small pieces of the mounts to fit the projectors. After trimming few chunks on the mount, I could fit the heat sink of the projector.



But then I realised, Even if I do some substantial amount of trimming, the Projectors won't fit in the stock mount.



Unless I go crazy with the trimming, thereby either breaking the stock mount or weakening it substantially. I also wanted to retain the stock fog light setup just in case I need to revert back to stock.

Now, the only option left, was to make custom mounting plate for my projectors similar to MithunSaithanat's setup like this.
I contacted a steel fabrication shop for help but they seemed confused, and also fine tuning the mount for the exact dimensions was a big issue.

So, I decided to do some test mounting. Made a template of the mounting plate in paper and did some test fitting. Once, it was good, I decided to fabricate the mounting plate out of plastic.
I found a relatively sturdy and unused plastic panel in my home and decided to use it for the fabrication.

I laid down the paper template and marked the dimensions on the plastic panel and use a hecksaw to carve out the mounting plate. The inner circle was cut with the help of a chisel and micromotor drill
Wish I had a dremel tool for better and faster results.

Yes, a very makeshift fabrication process but I just wanted to mount the projectors once and check out the alignment. If everything is ok, I would refine this particular mounting plate or use a different material.


My plastic mounting plate

The Saturday afternoon went by in this mounting plate fabrication process. Sunday would be the day, where I actually mount the projectors to the bumper.

The projectors has two clamps per unit which is held to projector body with a Hex allen screw and washer on either side.


Picture given by the seller


This picture is courtesy of BHPian Chiranjitp

Any Better solution?

Yes, There is a better solution available which I plan to do in the future.

I came across these Fog light covers in Boodmo, which is normally present in place of the fog lights in AX variants. This has a diameter big enough to fit the 3" Projector Fog lights through and the overall dimensions with respect to the mounting screws would be perfect.


Right side Fog light slot cover

Left side Fog light slot cover

These are relatively cheap to procure and will be extremely helpful for the mount dimensions.

[dr_TJ]

The Next Day

With lots of mounting and unmounting, I finally decided to screw in the projector to the plastic mounting plate. I used 4 nut bolts to mount the projectors with the help of the clamps to my custom plastic mount.



I used my 70mai power bank to power the projectors to adjust the beam level and alignment.

The alignment and leveling was more or less good enough in my rough setup, but I would be facing a nasty surprise. (Will come to that shortly)


Unlike the HID Lights in Bi-Xenon Projectors, which comes with a ballast and a H8/H11/H16 connector/coupler to be powered via the stock fog light connector or the Relay Harness. These LED Projectors had bare unmarked 4 wires. Red is +ve for Fog light and black is Negative for fog lights, Yellow is positive for High beam and White is the ground wire.


I am not willing to cut or splice the stock wiring, so, I decided to use H8/H16 coupler to power the Led Projectors. Thanks to fellow BHPian ChiranjitP for sourcing the coupler wire from Blaze India.



Just for testing the setup, I used a terminal connector to plug into the stock fog light H16 Female connector.
Once I received the Coupler wire, I used some insulated butt connectors to crimp the projector's wires to the coupler and finally plugged it to the stock connector.
That's what I call Plug and Play.

Now comes the Nasty Surprise.
All the alignment and installation process was done with my car switched off. So everything looked and felt good.
But when I decided to take it out on a drive to see the on-road performance, I saw a nasty surprise. As soon as I cranked up the engine, I could see the projector beam vibrate. Yes, being a Diesel engine, I can feel slight vibration when idling on the front bumper, but the vibrations were getting amplified in the Projector beam.
Situation got worse when I drove it over our rough roads. It was bad enough for me to abandon testing and return back home.
Since, It was already dark and cold as well. I decided to fix it the next morning.

Next morning, I opened up the panel again, tightened the mounting screws as well as the clamp screws. Also decided to add some foam pieces around the mounting plate to stop or atleast minimise the vibrations.
With substantial amount of foam pieces added, Vibration are no longer an issue, but this cannot be a long term solution.

I needed a permanent solution. What could be causing these vibrations?
Might be because of my custom plastic mounting plate instead of a Metal mount. Also the weight of the projectors are significantly more than the stock fog lights. I decided to make some new mounting plate with thicker plastic panel or search for a steel fabricator. BHPian Prakritij offered his help in fabrication of metal mounting plate and for that, I would require a near perfect dimensions because once it has been cut from metal, adjustment would be considerably difficult. So, saved this option for the last.

But before going forward with metal mount, I decided to re-investigate the issue. I found a probable cause. The projectors having a glass lens at the front, makes it considerably front heavy and the way I have mounted the projectors with the clamps and to the mounting plate, the projector ended up being placed relatively forward. This forwardly mounting might be resulting in vibrations because it is to far away from the center of mass of the projector. So, I un-mounted the setup again, unscrewed the clamps and adjusted them in a way, the projector now sits more backwards in the fog lamp slot compared to before. This also made the clamps and mounting plate to be more close to the mounting point on the projector. Weight distribution was much better and balanced now.

After this adjustment, I cranked up the engine and did a short test drive, and finally, no more vibrations. Thankfully.



So, now all I need to do is, fine tune the low beam cut off to be at an optimum height so as not to blind on-coming traffic.

Low beam cutoff tuning is a bit tricky for the Thar cause of its high ground clearance and hence a relatively high set front bumper. This makes the fog lights to be at almost the same level as the headlights of hatchbacks and sedans.
After few trials, I think I can finally say that I have got my optimum setup.

Final Result



I captured the below posted pictures on my mobile in manual color temperature mode of 5000K. Still not close what my eyes saw.

6000K

4300K

3000K

Initially I planned to tap power from the Headlight high beam wire for high beam signal for the LED Projector Fog lights.
I also bought a H4 male to female connector so that I don't even have to use scotch lock connector on the stock wiring.


But as of now, I have no plans to use the high beam feature of my Projector fog lights.
The setup with the projectors in low beam is good enough for me.





I am pretty happy with this lighting setup.
The projectors light up the road really well. And the low beam cut off is razor sharp ensuring no glare to other road users. If anyone is willing to upgrade the Fog lights of their new Thar with the stock wiring setup, these LED projectors are a really good option.


Hope you guys like this DIY.

[Aditya]

Thread moved out from the Assembly Line. Thanks for sharing!

[nitinralli]

Is there a link from where this can be ordered? Online sites have only one 6000K lights and not these multiple ones.

[MithunSathianat]

Excellent and a detailed one mate
Happy to see that you got rid of the vibration. If you feel the plastic may fail over time, fabricate metal brackets with the same dimensions.
It would not only help in the weight distribution, but can hold the projectors firm. Fog light covers for AX variant also seems to be a good option. But the stocks may not last long as the AX variants are discontinued.

And I really like the 3000k option on this fog lamp, It will certainly help during rain/ fog conditions.

Originally Posted by dr_TJ

Once I received the Coupler wire, I used some insulated butt connectors to crimp the projector's wires to the coupler and finally plugged it to the stock connector.

I also did exactly the same way to connect relay connector with stock socket.

[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by nitinralli

Is there a link from where this can be ordered? Online sites have only one 6000K lights and not these multiple ones.

I got it from a car accessories shop, named Bindra Motors.
I can PM you the contact info if needed

Originally Posted by MithunSathianat

Excellent and a detailed one mate
Happy to see that you got rid of the vibration. If you feel the plastic may fail over time, fabricate metal brackets with the same dimensions.
It would not only help in the weight distribution, but can hold the projectors firm. Fog light covers for AX variant also seems to be a good option. But the stocks may not last long as the AX variants are discontinued.

And I really like the 3000k option on this fog lamp, It will certainly help during rain/ fog conditions.

All thanks to your thread.

I got a pair of these Fog light covers recently, will mod them accordingly and check for the results.

[Strider24]

Brilliant DIY Dr. TJ. So far I was averse to these bixenon as fog lamps as having just 6000k light will fail the purpose of fog lights. But a triple color led is just perfect.

3000k when there is actual fog, 4300k for low lit areas and 6000k for flooding the extremely dark terrains/roads .

Thanks for sharing this information.

[nitinralli]

Originally Posted by dr_TJ

I got it from a car accessories shop, named Bindra Motors.
I can PM you the contact info if needed

If you can please. Not sure if he can deliver it in Hyderabad but no harm in trying

[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by nitinralli

If you can please. Not sure if he can deliver it in Hyderabad but no harm in trying

Delivery to Hyderabad will not be an issue I guess. Because I got mine delivered to Dibrugarh, Assam. But warranty is a choppy topic, as these projectors are Chinese, fully sealed units. Installation on the Thar was a bit tricky but for other cars with 3" Fog lights, it would be very easy.

[nitinralli]

Originally Posted by dr_TJ

Delivery to Hyderabad will not be an issue I guess. Because I got mine delivered to Dibrugarh, Assam. But warranty is a choppy topic, as these projectors are Chinese, fully sealed units. Installation on the Thar was a bit tricky but for other cars with 3" Fog lights, it would be very easy.

Got your message, Thanks

Will check with installer here if they can install this light with metal frame and then only will order.

[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by nitinralli

Got your message, Thanks

Will check with installer here if they can install this light with metal frame and then only will order.

You can source the Fog light covers (of AX variant) from Boodmo for the mount dimensions or you can mount the fog lights within the fog light cover with some modifications. Metal mount is always better though

[motorpsycho]

I was in a similar situation as you, The projectors for my Ford Fiesta 1.4 TDCi, was not a direct fit. First attempt was a jugaad and the second attempt was a proper laser cut adapter plate, made to hold the projector and fit onto to my original Fog mounts.


The Jugaad, this was my mistake. I did not do proper research.



I paid around 100rs for the adapter and drilled holes in them.



Mounted onto the bumper.

[TorqMaster]

Hello Dr_TJ.

Very nice DIY and results! Good choice with going along 3000K.

Will these fit XL6 ? Kindly let us know the contacts persons please.

[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by TorqMaster

Hello Dr_TJ.

Very nice DIY and results! Good choice with going along 3000K.

Will these fit XL6 ? Kindly let us know the contacts persons please.

If I remember, XL6 has 3" Fog lights right?
If it is 3", then these projectors will definitely fit and the mounting is more sorted in the XL6.

[Steamzombie]

Hello dr_TJ, I am looking for Bi-LED fog lamps for my Thar 2020 as well and I came across your article, the article was a lot of help, thank you.

Have u experienced an issue with the colour temperatures? As in mismatched colour temperature when turned on or while switching colour modes??

Is there a template for the brackets that u got fabricated??

Can you please share the contact information of the seller??

Regards.