The Heavy Trucks thread

julupani · 3rd May 2011, 13:38

@Ashley

Why this obsession with colour coding everything??

Can anybody come up with any sort of logic with this colour business down south?? And I am even open to any crazy logic too, as I doubt there is a sane logic behind it.

julupani · 5th May 2011, 09:04

Apparently, Overdrive has driven the Tata Prima recently, probably we will see an article in the next issue. They have some cool pics put up in a gallery here.

Attaching a pair of pics from the gallery here.

D33-PAC · 5th May 2011, 10:12

Looks like the gear shift cover is lifted straight from the Indica? When will Tata get rid of that ugliness!?

Why is it that in heavy CVS the steering column always seperates the clutch from the rest of the panels? It seems like a common engineering feature in all heavy CVS, in normal automobiles the column is much further ahead from the area of the pedals . Perhaps a column further out would hinder packaging designs in the cowl.

Does the Prima have an interior engine bay cover to access the engine from inside the cabin like the regular HCVs do?

julupani · 5th May 2011, 10:26

@D33

That gear-lever cover is not shared with the Indica, and it looks a bit better in reality. It is actually has a soft feel to it.

As for your second question, here is a pic that should answer your question.

The amount of tilt seems pretty scary, especially on a cab this big, but it allows unfettered access to all components. And as tilt mechanism is powered, all you got to do is flick a lever.

Also the steered axles are actually behind the steering wheel in fully forward CVs. Thus you dont want a very high angle of the steering column, forcing you to put it between the clutch and brake levers.

Also I might mention, these trucks are not exactly brand new. They are permanently at the Pune plant, and are lent out to people who want to take a look at the truck, be it the media, or potential customers.

Ashley2 · 6th May 2011, 00:10

Check the various stages of 2516 in body building.
A total of 20 vehicles(chassis fotos I have shared earlier) were taken and the body was built in house by the transport firm.

urzdeepu · 6th May 2011, 08:16

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Originally Posted by Ashley2

Came across these Hippos yesterday.
They were manufactured around 10 years back and still they are in good shape(leave those cabs). According to driver these are still hauling up to 100 Tonnes and the present ones are around 75Tonnes it seems.
Powered by AL 680 engine and it produces up to 240HP transmitted throu 9 speed gear box.
Was extremely good to see those Yesteryears Beasts.

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Great to see those pics Ashley. And no doubt Hippos started the revolution of heavy haulage in india. One thing is that, the second truck in the pic is not a Hippo, Its a Beaver.
Beaver also features the same 680AL engine but transmission i suppose is a 6 speed one and not a 9 speed one with crawler gear.

Ashley2 · 6th May 2011, 10:33

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Originally Posted by urzdeepu

Great to see those pics Ashley. And no doubt Hippos started the revolution of heavy haulage in india. One thing is that, the second truck in the pic is not a Hippo, Its a Beaver.
Beaver also features the same 680AL engine but transmission i suppose is a 6 speed one and not a 9 speed one with crawler gear.

Yes, You could be right on this part.

julupani · 9th May 2011, 18:40

Just took a look at the Leyland sales report for the month of April. Was completely shocked to say the least.

Total sales of 5543, compared to 6500 last April. That is a 14%drop in sales. A sky high growth rate was not to be expected considering last year's sales numbers were very high. But a 14% sales drop is a complete shock.

Also, it seems like it was a shock for the company as well. As the production numbers were 8021 units this April compared 7010 for last April. They had just sold more than 11000 units last month.

What could have precipitated such a massive fall in numbers??? It is definitely not something across the market as Tata have been able to register a decent (very low compared 6% growth in M&HCV segment. Though even Tata have taken a fall from the extreme high of March when everybody was buying before the rise in prices from April.

D33-PAC · 10th May 2011, 17:21

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Originally Posted by julupani

Just took a look at the Leyland sales report for the month of April. Was completely shocked to say the least.

Total sales of 5543, compared to 6500 last April. That is a 14%drop in sales. A sky high growth rate was not to be expected considering last year's sales numbers were very high. But a 14% sales drop is a complete shock.

Also, it seems like it was a shock for the company as well. As the production numbers were 8021 units this April compared 7010 for last April. They had just sold more than 11000 units last month.

What could have precipitated such a massive fall in numbers??? It is definitely not something across the market as Tata have been able to register a decent (very low compared 6% growth in M&HCV segment. Though even Tata have taken a fall from the extreme high of March when everybody was buying before the rise in prices from April.

Some very interesting news indeed. Could the availability of finance have anything to do with it?

Ashley2 · 10th May 2011, 18:46

Any specific reason that Tata is not offering (offered) tiltable cabs in multi axle tippers (leaving Novus)

julupani · 10th May 2011, 18:53

I am not sure whether it isnt on offer at all in India or is it just that nobody's buying them. I say this because they are on offer in foreign markets.

Also Novus is no longer on sale in India.

Ashley2 · 10th May 2011, 20:28

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Originally Posted by Transsenger

1. LPT1613 is no more avaliable as its was a BS2 model. Currently LPT1616 replaces it. (with 697TCIC EDC BS3engine)

2. SK1613 was the hot selling model in kerala with more than 80% market share in 4x2 tipper segment in Kerala. But currently its replaced by SK1616, a BS3 version.

I am little puzzled here!
As with the current product availability LPT 1613 is available with only TC and SK 1613 is available with only Tata 697 engine. Is this because of torque difference or what?

Quote:

Originally Posted by julupani

Also like I mentioned the 3516 model too has been discontinued, for quite some time actually. Only two variants, ie the 4018 and the 4923 are available today.

As told by transsenger, LPS 3518 is still available in the current product matrix (replacement of LPS 3516).

julupani · 10th May 2011, 20:40

There is no SK 1613 any more at all, its only SK1616.Though there is a LPT1613TC.

As for the LPS3518, its only different naming, product is exactly the same as the LPS 4018, which is why the previous confusion.

Ashley2 · 10th May 2011, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by julupani

There is no SK 1613 any more at all, its only SK1616.Though there is a LPT1613TC.

As for the LPS3518, its only different naming, product is exactly the same as the LPS 4018, which is why the previous confusion.

1.Regarding the SK 1613, are you confirming from your sources at plant?
2.If there is no difference between LPS 3518 and LPS 4018, why is the price difference of around 60K?
LPS 3518 -Rs.1,662,624.
LPS 4018 - Rs.1,724,942.
I have compared the price of BS III Sleeper cab tractors at RSO Dharwad (Vat 14% extra).

julupani · 11th May 2011, 07:01

The SK1613 is no longer made for sure. I think its been removed from the Tata Construck website too.

The difference in price between 3518 and 4018 is due to differences in taxes, due to lower GVW.

3rd May 2011, 13:38	#601
julupani Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 1,762 Thanked: 539 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread @Ashley Why this obsession with colour coding everything?? Can anybody come up with any sort of logic with this colour business down south?? And I am even open to any crazy logic too, as I doubt there is a sane logic behind it.
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5th May 2011, 09:04	#602
julupani Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 1,762 Thanked: 539 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread Apparently, Overdrive has driven the Tata Prima recently, probably we will see an article in the next issue. They have some cool pics put up in a gallery here. Attaching a pair of pics from the gallery here. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by v12 : 5th May 2011 at 17:34. Reason: pics resized
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5th May 2011, 10:12	#603
D33-PAC BANNED Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 911 Thanked: 1,555 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread Looks like the gear shift cover is lifted straight from the Indica? When will Tata get rid of that ugliness!? Why is it that in heavy CVS the steering column always seperates the clutch from the rest of the panels? It seems like a common engineering feature in all heavy CVS, in normal automobiles the column is much further ahead from the area of the pedals . Perhaps a column further out would hinder packaging designs in the cowl. Does the Prima have an interior engine bay cover to access the engine from inside the cabin like the regular HCVs do?
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5th May 2011, 10:26	#604
julupani Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 1,762 Thanked: 539 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread @D33 That gear-lever cover is not shared with the Indica, and it looks a bit better in reality. It is actually has a soft feel to it. As for your second question, here is a pic that should answer your question. The amount of tilt seems pretty scary, especially on a cab this big, but it allows unfettered access to all components. And as tilt mechanism is powered, all you got to do is flick a lever. Also the steered axles are actually behind the steering wheel in fully forward CVs. Thus you dont want a very high angle of the steering column, forcing you to put it between the clutch and brake levers. Also I might mention, these trucks are not exactly brand new. They are permanently at the Pune plant, and are lent out to people who want to take a look at the truck, be it the media, or potential customers. Last edited by v12 : 5th May 2011 at 17:39.
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6th May 2011, 00:10	#605
Ashley2 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NH7 Posts: 2,117 Thanked: 1,526 Times View My Garage	2516 in various stages of Body building Check the various stages of 2516 in body building. A total of 20 vehicles(chassis fotos I have shared earlier) were taken and the body was built in house by the transport firm.
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9th May 2011, 18:40	#608
julupani Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 1,762 Thanked: 539 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread Just took a look at the Leyland sales report for the month of April. Was completely shocked to say the least. Total sales of 5543, compared to 6500 last April. That is a 14%drop in sales. A sky high growth rate was not to be expected considering last year's sales numbers were very high. But a 14% sales drop is a complete shock. Also, it seems like it was a shock for the company as well. As the production numbers were 8021 units this April compared 7010 for last April. They had just sold more than 11000 units last month. What could have precipitated such a massive fall in numbers??? It is definitely not something across the market as Tata have been able to register a decent (very low compared 6% growth in M&HCV segment. Though even Tata have taken a fall from the extreme high of March when everybody was buying before the rise in prices from April.
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10th May 2011, 18:46	#610
Ashley2 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NH7 Posts: 2,117 Thanked: 1,526 Times View My Garage	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread Any specific reason that Tata is not offering (offered) tiltable cabs in multi axle tippers (leaving Novus)
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10th May 2011, 18:53	#611
julupani Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 1,762 Thanked: 539 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread I am not sure whether it isnt on offer at all in India or is it just that nobody's buying them. I say this because they are on offer in foreign markets. Also Novus is no longer on sale in India.
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10th May 2011, 20:40	#613
julupani Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 1,762 Thanked: 539 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread There is no SK 1613 any more at all, its only SK1616.Though there is a LPT1613TC. As for the LPS3518, its only different naming, product is exactly the same as the LPS 4018, which is why the previous confusion.
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11th May 2011, 07:01	#615
julupani Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 1,762 Thanked: 539 Times	Re: The Heavy Trucks thread The SK1613 is no longer made for sure. I think its been removed from the Tata Construck website too. The difference in price between 3518 and 4018 is due to differences in taxes, due to lower GVW.
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