Scoop!! Tata Ace Van..Killer Of Omni.

shortbread · 23rd November 2009, 06:15

Agree VEA, With all the additions especially with the 4 cyl. TDi engine it will easily cost more than 4 lacs. But guessing that it will be shorter than 4 meters and having a 1.4 deisel engine it will enjoy lower excise duty benefits.

teamveevee · 23rd November 2009, 08:19

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Originally Posted by sidindica

Project Pelican/ microbus
1,405 CC 70 bhp TDI

Sidindica, This is not the same 4-stroke engine in Tata Ace right?

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Originally Posted by arin_12

I too believe that this is an updated version of the Magic

Magic is not considered as a family vehicle. A no-frill rural commuter. The vibration is very high with the 4-stroke engine. But much better compared to 8-10 seater rear engined autorickshaws (is it Vikram) it supposed to compete against.
So if the Pelican is meant for Family, I guess, it can not be an upgrade, but a different vehicle on the same platform with more bells and whistles. We really need a Mini Van for the weekend family trip and hope Tata could deliver one.

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Originally Posted by gshanky

I also think electric versions of these are supposed to be sold to USPS through Chrysler america. Now FIAT owns chrysler and so they can market it globally if TATA pull it through.

Tata tie up was with G.E.M a division of Chrysler. Tata ACE did/will not pass the US crash tests and hence not meant for Highway use. It is mainly for use with in Parks/Zoos/Campuses etc, Not a volume market. But Europe and Latin America are possibilities. I believe they tried out Electric ACEs in Spain recently.

Latheesh · 23rd November 2009, 08:35

Nice Scoop! But I do not think it will be a direct competition to OMNI. It may create a new market like Tata Ace did, especially in the rural market. Lets wait and watch!!

Trapezio · 23rd November 2009, 09:34

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Originally Posted by teamveevee

Sidindica, This is not the same 4-stroke engine in Tata Ace right?

Its the engine from the humble Indica! Not bad... eh?

pb10gagan · 23rd November 2009, 09:39

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Originally Posted by teamveevee

Sidindica, This is not the same 4-stroke engine in Tata Ace right?

@teamveevee

AFAIK, today's TATA Ace runs on a ~700cc two cylinder diesel engine. this is an exact half of the orignal NA diesel engine found under the hood of previous generation indica.

14000rpm · 23rd November 2009, 09:43

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Originally Posted by tushky

Specious as Tata Magic.

1) Tail lamps are like Mercedes Viano.
2) Vista Like Dashboard
3) Seating is 2+2+3
Can we say this is the safe, Affordable Van for indian families?

great scoop. this was quite expected. look forward for yet another successful product. hope it carries quality with it too.

gshanky · 23rd November 2009, 10:30

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Originally Posted by teamveevee

Tata tie up was with G.E.M a division of Chrysler. Tata ACE did/will not pass the US crash tests and hence not meant for Highway use. It is mainly for use with in Parks/Zoos/Campuses etc, Not a volume market. But Europe and Latin America are possibilities. I believe they tried out Electric ACEs in Spain recently.

I believe Ace EV was intended for USPS local fleet. But still, I read an old article in hindu business line that Ace has passed crash tests. But that article was also old and no updates in the past year. So, the deal might very well be off. Now that Chrysler is owned/controlled by FIAT, the deal could be revived if Ace EV exists and is upto the mark.

teamveevee · 23rd November 2009, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Trapezio

Its the engine from the humble Indica! Not bad... eh?

Thanks Trapezio, Not bad, Proven engine. You mean the old generation Indica, or the Indica Vista?.

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Originally Posted by pb10gagan

AFAIK, today's TATA Ace runs on a ~700cc two cylinder diesel engine. this is an exact half of the orignal NA diesel engine found under the hood of previous generation indica.

Thanks pb10gagan. I am sure Tata wont be using this 2 Cylinder in the Mini Van if it is targeted for the families..

srishiva · 23rd November 2009, 10:49

Still looks like a modded auto !

MuraliR · 23rd November 2009, 11:51

good find. from the pics, it looks like one has to climb in - seems rather high.

longhorn · 23rd November 2009, 12:11

Excellent scoop tushky. i don't know what to say. If this is based on the Ace platform then it may not be in direct competition with the Omni as far as the family space is concerned, but it could definitely spell trouble for the Omni in the commercial space.

rpmx1000 · 23rd November 2009, 12:38

1405 cc 70bhp reads like the TDI version of the Indica engine than anything else (did duty on the Indica Turbo , 2nd gen Indigo etc (not manza of course))
It still services the Indica Vista TDI.That version generates 71 bhp(as claimed
by Tata in their ads).

theMAG · 23rd November 2009, 12:44

This was a winner always. I remember another discussion where we were wondering when such an adaptation would be released by Tata.

Tushky- nice to have you back

tanwaramit · 23rd November 2009, 12:45

already saw something like this yesterday, being used as a school bus. Had stickers of 4x4 on it which made me laugh into pieces. Didnt take pics as it seemed like some different version of Ace. Looks like something which this thread is talking about, let me see, if I can spot it again.

ranc · 23rd November 2009, 13:19

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Originally Posted by tushky

Sidindica. you meet me once. we guys can open spy agency together. Then i will show you my secret locations too.

Guys both of you should meet, it will do a lot of good to the Team bhp community. Tussi dono great ho.

23rd November 2009, 06:15	#31
shortbread Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: KL 7 Posts: 2,626 Thanked: 7,464 Times	Agree VEA, With all the additions especially with the 4 cyl. TDi engine it will easily cost more than 4 lacs. But guessing that it will be shorter than 4 meters and having a 1.4 deisel engine it will enjoy lower excise duty benefits.
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23rd November 2009, 08:35	#33
Latheesh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: CNN/BLR Posts: 4,300 Thanked: 10,396 Times	Nice Scoop! But I do not think it will be a direct competition to OMNI. It may create a new market like Tata Ace did, especially in the rural market. Lets wait and watch!!
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23rd November 2009, 10:49	#39
srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	Still looks like a modded auto !
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23rd November 2009, 11:51	#40
MuraliR BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 361 Thanked: 35 Times	good find. from the pics, it looks like one has to climb in - seems rather high.
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23rd November 2009, 12:11	#41
longhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,541 Thanked: 1,650 Times View My Garage	Excellent scoop tushky. i don't know what to say. If this is based on the Ace platform then it may not be in direct competition with the Omni as far as the family space is concerned, but it could definitely spell trouble for the Omni in the commercial space.
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23rd November 2009, 12:38	#42
rpmx1000 BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 396 Thanked: 36 Times	1405 cc 70bhp reads like the TDI version of the Indica engine than anything else (did duty on the Indica Turbo , 2nd gen Indigo etc (not manza of course)) It still services the Indica Vista TDI.That version generates 71 bhp(as claimed by Tata in their ads).
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23rd November 2009, 12:44	#43
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,219 Thanked: 1,816 Times View My Garage	This was a winner always. I remember another discussion where we were wondering when such an adaptation would be released by Tata. Tushky- nice to have you back Last edited by theMAG : 23rd November 2009 at 12:45.
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23rd November 2009, 12:45	#44
tanwaramit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dilwalon ki Dilli Posts: 1,942 Thanked: 510 Times	already saw something like this yesterday, being used as a school bus. Had stickers of 4x4 on it which made me laugh into pieces. Didnt take pics as it seemed like some different version of Ace. Looks like something which this thread is talking about, let me see, if I can spot it again.
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