Unknown 4x4 tractor in very sorry state

ex670c · 23rd March 2009, 15:46

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Originally Posted by DirtyDan

It does look a lot like a 1960-ish Mahindra but the fit and finish is too good...and springs???..... and there ought to be something leaking from somewhere if its M&M, sorry B.D. wherever you are. International? Hmmm....maybe. I do not think M&M knew what springs were in 1960, something in your ball point pen maybe.

Hi D_D,

M&M imported, assembled and copied Leaf Springs from the JEEPs, since 1947

Regards,

Arka

PS - Looks like an I-H to me

http://www.northottotractorparts.com...right-best.jpg

Brutus · 23rd March 2009, 17:20

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Originally Posted by DirtyDan

It does look a lot like a 1960-ish Mahindra but the fit and finish is too good...and springs???..... and there ought to be something leaking from somewhere if its M&M, sorry B.D. wherever you are.

Yeah, but the mahindra make was just a single model of the International harvester, there are a lot more that never made it to india.

SirAlec · 23rd March 2009, 18:41

i spend an hour and a half trying to figure it out. all the aluminium plaque is there but all are washed out. Not a single mark on engine. As engine has its tappet cover missing.

Brutus · 23rd March 2009, 19:37

It might have the gauges, the speedo and stuff. If its there, you can probably find out if its an american or a russian part, i mean, if it hasnt been changed over the yrs. And if it had gone kaput, even then it, most likely has'nt ever been changed, since firstly nobody(read we Indians) ever bother with something as useless as a speedo gauge in a tractor

, that too in a vehicle thats most likely a "sarkari" one. Then there are a couple of levers next to the seat for the rear lift and the pto, also the gearstick and the high/low lever, and the diff-lock lever, which might lead you somewhere. The fuel injection pump, if lucas, most likely would direct you to a british design. The radiator(make), and the headlight would do the same too. The oilstick too might have either english or russian scribbled on it(or for that matter, any other language). Then probably the most important clue is the front differential. It is highly unlikely that it would'nt have anything on it with regards its make, since they are almost always outsourced by the parent company. And being a tractor in the catagory of light to Middleweight application, the demand for 4 wheel drives in this catagory is rather low, so tractors using this same axle would be far in between.

SirAlec · 23rd March 2009, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex670c

Hi D_D,

M&M imported, assembled and copied Leaf Springs from the JEEPs, since 1947

Regards,

Arka

PS - Looks like an I-H to me

http://www.northottotractorparts.com...right-best.jpg

rear wheel looks similar. thanks arka for the link

Unknown 4x4 tractor in very sorry state-ih666rightbest-medium.jpg

directinjection · 25th March 2009, 00:16

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Originally Posted by brutus

Yeah, but the mahindra make was just a single model of the International harvester, there are a lot more that never made it to india.

Mahindra made two IH models in India - the 35 HP, red coloured model whose engine was later used on the CJ Jeep. It was often called the LAAL INTER.

There was another more powerful model with 45 HP engine (IIRC). It looked more modern due to its streamlined body and attractive cream & yellow colour scheme.

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Originally Posted by brutus

during the '71 war. the major reason why pakistans strategy failed in punjab is that they attacked in the paddy season

The 1971 Indo-Pak war was fought between December 3-16, 1971. That's the wheat season, not the paddy season in Punjab.

bigman · 25th March 2009, 00:24

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Originally Posted by directinjection

The 1971 Indo-Pak war was fought between December 3-16, 1971. That's the wheat season, not the paddy season in Punjab.

You are right, it is wheat (Kanak) season during that time of year.

Brutus · 25th March 2009, 01:51

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Originally Posted by directinjection

The 1971 Indo-Pak war was fought between December 3-16, 1971. That's the wheat season, not the paddy season in Punjab.

Thanks for correcting, it was wheat time and still thay got stuck, Chonna would be worse. Another mistake was that it was the 65' war, not the 71' when the pattonnagar was created . Heres an interesting picture history and the patton story.

Mahindra made several models, but not during the 60-80's frame. Still, it was always just a single International Harvestor model(it was a B4??) they made here, infact that too had been changed a little here and there to make it an indigenous B275 i think.. The rest were all mahindra knock-offs, and there too the differences were small. The main was the motor, which is basically the same block and the displacement was increased or decreased by adding a cylinder to the same engine design, such that 45% engine components are the same.

Samurai · 25th March 2009, 12:53

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Originally Posted by brutus

Another mistake was that it was the 65' war, not the 71' when the pattonnagar was created . Heres an interesting picture history and the patton story.

Ah! I was wondering what happened in Punjab theatre during 1971 war.

Brutus · 25th March 2009, 14:11

Forgot to add the link, here it is
Patton Nagar [www.bharat-rakshak.com]

Torque-ative · 25th March 2009, 14:49

Talking about tractors hows this one for size

SirAlec · 25th March 2009, 22:52

the red one has portal wheel.! BTW Case is also made in india with collaboration with L&T.

Brutus · 26th March 2009, 01:17

Even i thought they were portal, but later i figured out that this one has to driven by engine-powered hydrallic pumps. That is way too much hight for a portal box to be dropped way below the axle center line,without adequate re-enforcements to the axle knuckles. Even the volvo c303 portals, where the axles drop just 4.5 inches, has the top and the lower kingpins bearing spaced by 9" inches, and it normally does'nt do well for tires greater than 37". That tractor is taller than torque( so what is it, atleast 75" tall?), and the portal has virtually no support to them at the knuckles. Even the axle center line is above the rim circumference line.
Besides, the picture does not show any drive shafts, the wheels have what look like hydrallic lines running to them, and the massive engine has small tanks at the back(besides the big one) that resembles a hydrallic fluid tank used for hydrallic-mechanics.

Shubhendra · 16th July 2009, 19:04

Coming to Topic.........It's Belarus ( I Believe)......we had same tractor years back and we used to get it's spares from Mayapuri.

Note from the Team-BHP Support Team : Please take the time to use proper punctuation as per Team-BHP rules. Avoid...typing...like...this. Thanks.

Bailee_Jatt_Boy · 16th July 2009, 19:55

That looks like an old "International" brand tractor to me.

23rd March 2009, 18:41	#18
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,395 Thanked: 727 Times	i spend an hour and a half trying to figure it out. all the aluminium plaque is there but all are washed out. Not a single mark on engine. As engine has its tappet cover missing.
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23rd March 2009, 19:37	#19
Brutus BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chandigarh Posts: 376 Thanked: 69 Times	It might have the gauges, the speedo and stuff. If its there, you can probably find out if its an american or a russian part, i mean, if it hasnt been changed over the yrs. And if it had gone kaput, even then it, most likely has'nt ever been changed, since firstly nobody(read we Indians) ever bother with something as useless as a speedo gauge in a tractor, that too in a vehicle thats most likely a "sarkari" one. Then there are a couple of levers next to the seat for the rear lift and the pto, also the gearstick and the high/low lever, and the diff-lock lever, which might lead you somewhere. The fuel injection pump, if lucas, most likely would direct you to a british design. The radiator(make), and the headlight would do the same too. The oilstick too might have either english or russian scribbled on it(or for that matter, any other language). Then probably the most important clue is the front differential. It is highly unlikely that it would'nt have anything on it with regards its make, since they are almost always outsourced by the parent company. And being a tractor in the catagory of light to Middleweight application, the demand for 4 wheel drives in this catagory is rather low, so tractors using this same axle would be far in between.
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25th March 2009, 14:11	#25
Brutus BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chandigarh Posts: 376 Thanked: 69 Times	Forgot to add the link, here it is Patton Nagar [www.bharat-rakshak.com]
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25th March 2009, 14:49	#26
Torque-ative BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 499 Thanked: 90 Times	Talking about tractors hows this one for size Attached Thumbnails
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25th March 2009, 22:52	#27
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,395 Thanked: 727 Times	the red one has portal wheel.! BTW Case is also made in india with collaboration with L&T.
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26th March 2009, 01:17	#28
Brutus BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chandigarh Posts: 376 Thanked: 69 Times	Even i thought they were portal, but later i figured out that this one has to driven by engine-powered hydrallic pumps. That is way too much hight for a portal box to be dropped way below the axle center line,without adequate re-enforcements to the axle knuckles. Even the volvo c303 portals, where the axles drop just 4.5 inches, has the top and the lower kingpins bearing spaced by 9" inches, and it normally does'nt do well for tires greater than 37". That tractor is taller than torque( so what is it, atleast 75" tall?), and the portal has virtually no support to them at the knuckles. Even the axle center line is above the rim circumference line. Besides, the picture does not show any drive shafts, the wheels have what look like hydrallic lines running to them, and the massive engine has small tanks at the back(besides the big one) that resembles a hydrallic fluid tank used for hydrallic-mechanics.
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16th July 2009, 19:04	#29
Shubhendra Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Poona Posts: 1,303 Thanked: 2,351 Times	Coming to Topic.........It's Belarus ( I Believe)......we had same tractor years back and we used to get it's spares from Mayapuri. Note from the Team-BHP Support Team : Please take the time to use proper punctuation as per Team-BHP rules. Avoid...typing...like...this. Thanks. Last edited by Technocrat : 16th July 2009 at 19:08. Reason: Please read the note in post, thanks
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16th July 2009, 19:55	#30
Bailee_Jatt_Boy BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New York Posts: 127 Thanked: 6 Times	That looks like an old "International" brand tractor to me.
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