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Rafale is not a solution to the Navy in its current version. I had said the same a few posts earlier. Naval aircraft need to be designed so from its drawing board. Though, Naval variant of Rafale is in service with the French, operated from its carrier Charles De Gaulle. Like you have already brought out, the one we have now is not the Naval version. And yes, it takes atleast ten years for a new aircraft to settle down and iron out its initial niggles; if not more. Below are two photos from Ex Varuna 2019. Naval version Rafales (centre four) flanked by Naval version Mig 29K (two each on either flanks) in a close formation flypast over their respective carriers. One E2C Hawkeye guards the tail. Fly by over CDG Fly by over Vikramaditya. Last edited by dhanushmenon : 23rd October 2020 at 16:58. | |
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23rd October 2020, 21:18 | #123 | |
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A loose semi-informal collaboration as the current Quad is, in my opinion, more efficacious than a NATO style formalized and, by definition, more rigid structure. In an informal alliance you can tighten the alliance or let it be looser depending on the situation. You can vary the military versus diplomacy mix in a jiffy and yet not be accused of ganging up. From a military point of view this is largely a naval alliance and can deploy the greatest asset of a warship without firing a shot .... simply turn up and fly the flag....coast along just outside territorial water limits. One of my favourite sayings - a warship is the last 400 feet of a our nations foreign policy! Having said all this China under Xi Ping is more warlike than at any time after Mao's incursion into Korea in 1950. And he presides over a China several times more powerful in all respects than Mao's in 1950. His predecessors all maintained the inner party democracy within the CCP which ensured smooth transition of power for a quarter century. No longer. He has made himself dictator for life just when his citizenry is now economically well off enough for the current generation to want more - freedoms, votes etc. Such collisions usually lead to trouble. | |
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23rd October 2020, 22:32 | #124 |
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As ever, great response - I'm in agreement. It just doesn't seem like it fits India's longstanding aversion to boxing ourselves in when it comes to international relations. Sure this means a lot of our relationships aren't maximised to their fullest potential but it also creates a situation where there aren't burnt bridges anywhere either. The third way that was propagated by Nehru and has essentially been institutionalised in our diplomatic corps since has for the most part meant India hasn't gotten dragged into too many major power engagements. Though like you point out with China's rising wealth and power, and India's too in the last decades, it's only natural that the citizenry start to expect a more muscular approach fitting with the more elevated status they envision for themselves and their countries now. I think you touch upon an interesting point regarding China. Outwardly it would absolutely appear that the growing prosperity of their populace should eventually clash with how the CCP envisions their iron grip on power. I suppose the clashes in Hong Kong are testament to how far ordinary folk are willing to go to prevent that fate. What's without a shadow of a doubt is that the greatest threat to the CCP beyond all else is losing their grip on power. I can't remember where I read it but the following summarises nicely: unlike other countries, the lack of elections in China means the CCP can never truly gauge the wider public sentiment and mood towards the party - that is, if a govt in a democratic country were to pursue a course of action that the public at large found disagreeable, the logical conclusion is that that disaffection would manifest at the polling booth. But in the CCP's China that really can't happen and with big brother always watching and the Great Firewall stifling expression - they've built themselves a big old blind spot. But for sure, having under the guise of his anti corruption "tigers and flies" purge of the military and party Xi has removed many alternate power bases. It was only logical then that he would take the drastic step of enshrining himself in the constitution ("Xi Xinping Thought") - elevating himself to a level only Mao and Deng had previously - thus positioning himself to be in charge for a long while to come. Our leadership and professional corps will have to contend with his China and his instincts for the foreseeable future, whoever resides on 7 Race Course Road. |
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Coming to matters naval. The PLAN has built up a vast arsenal of modern ships but I wonder about strategy & long range deployments & doctrine. It is one thing to build warships {a creditable achievement no doubt} and quite another to evolve a naval doctrine of how to use it. In this I believe the IN is ahead. We learnt a lot from our exposure first to the Royal Navy {1947 to late 1960s} and then the Soviet Navy. The PLAN has not had any such learning by osmosis from a bigger greater Navy. Much more than on land or air in a Navy clarity of what is your strategy and within that what is your naval doctrine counts for a lot. Quote:
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet Prepandemic Australia used to pussyfoot around China. And might do it again tomorrow. A non rigid non binding structure gives us flexibility. But it also grants the same flexibility to our 'allies'. As long as we have no illusions about that. Nehru, the master of English, made a mistake choosing the term 'nonaligned'. That straight away accepts the premise that the world is divided into two mutually exclusive and exhaustive blocs. When reality is not that. Aligned to your own selfinterest is the goal. Not aligned to someone else is not, or should not be a goal. Xi - Lookout for power solidifying purges before June 2021. And the fate of Wang Xishan. And if he is replaced, by whom. Sutripta |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet India and USA sign the BECA – Basic Exchange & Cooperation Agreement https://indianexpress.com/article/op...-meet-6906084/ https://indianexpress.com/article/ex...ompeo-6906637/ India and the United States on Tuesday (October 27) signed the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA), which, along with the two agreements signed earlier — the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) and the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA) — completes a troika of “foundational pacts” for deep military cooperation between the two countries. BECA will help India get real-time access to American geospatial intelligence that will enhance the accuracy of automated systems and weapons like missiles and armed drones. Through the sharing of information on maps and satellite images, it will help India access topographical and aeronautical data, and advanced products that will aid in navigation and targeting. This could be key to Air Force-to-Air Force cooperation between India and the US. Net net it will give Indian missiles the same accuracy for precision strikes as US missiles enjoy. LEMOA was the first of the three pacts to be signed in August 2016. LEMOA allows the militaries of the US and India to replenish from each other’s bases, and access supplies, spare parts and services from each other’s land facilities, air bases, and ports, which can then be reimbursed. LEMOA is extremely useful for India-US Navy-to-Navy cooperation, since the two countries are cooperating closely in the Indo-Pacific. The signing of LEMOA was in itself an affirmation of the mutual trust between the two militaries, and its application will enhance the trust. It languished for a decade {2004 to 2014} but its signing bridged the trust deficit between India and the US, and paved the way for the other two foundational pacts. COMCASA was signed in September 2018, after the first 2+2 dialogue during which then External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and then Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman met the visiting Secretary of State Michael R Pompeo and then Secretary of Defence James N Mattis. The pact allows the US to provide India with its encrypted communications equipment and systems so that Indian and US military commanders, and the aircraft and ships of the two countries, can communicate through secure networks during times of both peace and war. The strengthening of the mechanisms of cooperation between the two militaries must be seen in the context of an increasingly aggressive China, which threatens a large number of countries in its neighbourhood and beyond, and which has been challenging several established norms and aspects of international relations. Amid the ongoing standoff on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh — the longest and most serious in three decades — India and the US intensified under-the-radar intelligence and military cooperation at an unprecedented level, especially since June. But in reality this is a logical culmination of the process started in 2016 with the signing of LEMOA and is not a knee jerk reaction to China's current posturing. One thing is clear we are now aligned with the Americans fully and truly. In the 1980s we peaked in quantity and quality of our equipment and were way ahead of our two adversaries in quality and capability. A big reason was that it was the culmination of a 20-year Indo-Soviet build up. To build up that lead we need a super power backing us. The Americans are our new partners. |
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While all the agreements and co-operations with like minded countries are a must in light of a very openly hostile China, let us all remember that we will have to fight our wars on our own and next time, we will have to fight a war against two countries together as the two so called Iron brothers will not hesitate to put pressure on their respective borders with India to aid the other. It is critical to boost and encourage domestic defence production and not to show laxity in signing deals for procuring arms and fighting machines (the fate of the LCA and LCH orders & the v2.0 MMRCA circus are unfortunate and prime example of these) Let us also remember how the US propped up countries like Pakistan and Iran against the Soviet Union during the 60s and 70s, how Afghanistan's government and security forces have been abandoned to get mauled by Taliban now. How Turkey, a staunch US ally once upon a time and having the second largest F-16 fleet in the world, has been kicked out of the F-35 programme and is now equally hostile towards US & Russia. I only hope that this India does not get to experience this "use & throw" policy of the US. While I agree these examples of those failed countries cannot be equated with India, India is where it is today, because it has/had a largely independent foreign policy. The Chinese threat needs to be addressed and possibly a triple threat of Turkey, Pakistan and China ganging up against India over Kashmir in the near future, especially after what Turkey managed to do successfully in Syria, Libya and of late in Armenia. | |
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Anyway, besides that Turkey point, you're right. Have to be cautious with the fact that US foreign policy especially under the current regime, and some could argue mostly in the 21st century is almost transactional in nature. Our current closeness is absolutely the result of an alignment in national objectives. As long as our leadership is clear about the extent to which this entente between the two nations goes in the international sphere, I think we can progress from the latest deal. Which is absolutely a good deal. Seeing as more US kit is making its way in, might as well make sure they can operate with the best data that they're used to working with. And as long as parallel options (through domestic industry) like you said are kept simmering on the back burner, it should cover contingency situations. | |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet I sincerely hope and pray we don't go for the F-18 for our carriers. I think we have enough Mig29's for two aircraft carriers plus we have our own twin-jet AMCA/ORCA / TEDBF which will give a powerful home grown option. As it is IAC2 is a while away and enough time to get our own aircraft for this. |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet On Navy Day, Lockheed Martin India shared a photo of MH-60 Romeo for the Indian Navy. India has placed orders for 24 MH-60 Romeo. |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet *Greetings to you on Navy Day*. Indian Navy Day is observed on 4 December to commemorate the courageous attack on the Karachi harbour during the Indo-Pakistan war of 1971 by the Indian Navy. Which incurred heavy losses to Pakistani Naval Forces and to the Pakistani Oil Fields. This day recognizes the splendour, great achievements and role of the naval force to the nation.* This day is to celebrate proudly - The administration rendered to the country by our daring and magnanimous warriors – The Men In White, who serve the country, it’s kin, it’s coasts and all the frontiers. Wishing all proud indians - A VERY HAPPY NAVY DAY! JAI HIND !!! 🇮🇳 |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet What Joe Biden's Defense Secretary pick ,Lloyd Austin, said on US's ties with India https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/what...kistan-2355111 Excerpts... Quote:
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet An interesting development here. Apparently Turkey has decided to transfer the technology to build 5 support vessels at the HSL shipyard in Vizag. This is very interesting given the increasingly adversarial relationship between India and Turkey due to the latter’s support to Pakistan. However, in the end of the day, pragmatism and generating business are greater priorities it seems, India is still a better business partner than Pakistan can ever be. Source Quote:
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