advice on upgrading my sony system for my zen??

pranil · 20th September 2005, 15:03

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Originally Posted by aseem

Congrats on the car

While you wait for the experts to chip in. I STRONGLY recommend AGAINST using the HU to drive the subwoofer. Most subwoofers have 250 watt RMS, and running them on 22 W RMS will be like running a 200 watt bulb with 15 watt current. It will light... but you see the point!

Dear Aseem. Dont forget the HU deliveres 44 watt Bridged on 4 ohms. so If i Take a sensitive sub ( say 91db/watt/m) would it not be sufficient say to bring out thos lower notes . maybe not the thumping car shaking sound. but mind u it will only cost me 1500 bucks for speaker (pioneer) and say 500 for the MDF board on spear wheel.

aseem · 20th September 2005, 15:09

I would still say, wait before you add the subwoofer. Buying a car can be taxing (going through the same). However I will advise you what I think is best for you, not what is POSSIBLE and whats not. Adding a basic 2 channel Glider amp for 1.5 k will do wonders to your setup. But if your question is, is it possible to run a sub from your HU, the answer is yes its POSSIBLE, but its not RECOMMENDED! This is entirely my take on this, lets wait for experts to help you in this as well!

Sam Kapasi · 20th September 2005, 17:15

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Originally Posted by aseem

Sam do crossovers require breathing? Is the grill design just cosmetic,

Crossovers do not really require breathing and the grill design is purely cosmetic yes.

Sam Kapasi · 20th September 2005, 17:30

I agree, this particular HU allows you to run a subwoofer off it and I've heard it too. It's grossly underpowered. YES you can do it, but well... dont expect too much from it.

Put a cheap amp like aseem says. (glider? is it local?)

aseem · 20th September 2005, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

I agree, this particular HU allows you to run a subwoofer off it and I've heard it too. It's grossly underpowered. YES you can do it, but well... dont expect too much from it.

Put a cheap amp like aseem says. (glider? is it local?)

Yes its local. There is a review about that amp in Autocar september issue. Moodswings tried installing Sony 502 and this amp on his subwoofer, and was impressed by the performance of this amp. I am recommending this basing on the fact that cost is an issue here!

Buffetfan · 20th September 2005, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

I agree, this particular HU allows you to run a subwoofer off it and I've heard it too. It's grossly underpowered. YES you can do it, but well... dont expect too much from it.

Put a cheap amp like aseem says. (glider? is it local?)

even the pioneer 7750 will allow you to run a subwoofer thru the HU....dont know the performance though

pranil · 20th September 2005, 23:52

I am talking about 7750 only

navin · 21st September 2005, 10:39

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Originally Posted by pranil

BTW. any restrictions or advise for distance from crossover to speakers and HU. What about two midrange and tweeter cables running together any induction coupling there.

actually pranil, if there will be any "coupling" it would be capacitive but as long as you use good wires (using a good matieral with a high dielectric constant) i would not worry.

mclaren1885 · 22nd September 2005, 01:56

guys going in for a new HU on my car..so have narrowed down to:
1. pioneer 7750.
2. sony 7710.
3. alpine 9833..
need ur inputs on these..other suggestion are most welcome..budget is around 16k..

aseem · 22nd September 2005, 03:18

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

guys going in for a new HU on my car..so have narrowed down to:
1. pioneer 7750.
2. sony 7710.
3. alpine 9833..
need ur inputs on these..other suggestion are most welcome..budget is around 16k..

No brainer... if budget not an issue than its Alpine. I would have answered differently if you were considering Sony 8800...

gunbir · 22nd September 2005, 09:55

My preference would be in this order:

1. pioneer 7750 - most intuitive, full featured, ease of use, warm sound, punchy bass, unmatched control

2. sony 7710 - Nice brushed aluminium looks, 24Bit Burr Brown DACs at this price... Its second choice only because it may have 2 preouts only

3. alpine 9833 - Already discontinued by Alpine, has had problems worldwide, least user friendly, sounds good (a little peaky sometimes)

Autophile · 22nd September 2005, 10:10

In order :

1. Pioneer 7750
2. Sony 7710 though the new 7715 is a better option if you can find one
3. Alpine 9833

If you want to spend that much on a headunit. I would also like to recommend Pioneer 8650

navin · 22nd September 2005, 10:47

How do you buy a Pioneer in India with a Bill and Warranty?

gunbir, i have the 9833 and i would like to knwo what problems i should expect.

Autophile · 22nd September 2005, 10:54

I don't think Pioneer is available with Bill & Warranty in India. Its gray market everywhere.

navin · 22nd September 2005, 11:15

My point. Cant recommend Pioneer if Pioneer wont stand behind their product and offer a warranty. They expcet to make money of servicing new Pioneers by making sure the product is only available without bill and warranty. After al they have many authorised service centers in India. Lamblasting them for this level of marketing has not helped.

20th September 2005, 15:09	#107
aseem Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 1,730 Thanked: 442 Times	I would still say, wait before you add the subwoofer. Buying a car can be taxing (going through the same). However I will advise you what I think is best for you, not what is POSSIBLE and whats not. Adding a basic 2 channel Glider amp for 1.5 k will do wonders to your setup. But if your question is, is it possible to run a sub from your HU, the answer is yes its POSSIBLE, but its not RECOMMENDED! This is entirely my take on this, lets wait for experts to help you in this as well!
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Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 7,000 Thanked: 2,452 Times View My Garage	I agree, this particular HU allows you to run a subwoofer off it and I've heard it too. It's grossly underpowered. YES you can do it, but well... dont expect too much from it. Put a cheap amp like aseem says. (glider? is it local?)
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20th September 2005, 23:52	#112
pranil BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 153 Thanked: 2 Times	Amp built in 7750 I am talking about 7750 only
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mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 46 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	guys going in for a new HU on my car..so have narrowed down to: 1. pioneer 7750. 2. sony 7710. 3. alpine 9833.. need ur inputs on these..other suggestion are most welcome..budget is around 16k..
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22nd September 2005, 09:55	#116
gunbir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,465 Thanked: 33 Times	My preference would be in this order: 1. pioneer 7750 - most intuitive, full featured, ease of use, warm sound, punchy bass, unmatched control 2. sony 7710 - Nice brushed aluminium looks, 24Bit Burr Brown DACs at this price... Its second choice only because it may have 2 preouts only 3. alpine 9833 - Already discontinued by Alpine, has had problems worldwide, least user friendly, sounds good (a little peaky sometimes)
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22nd September 2005, 10:10	#117
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 931 Thanked: 4 Times	In order : 1. Pioneer 7750 2. Sony 7710 though the new 7715 is a better option if you can find one 3. Alpine 9833 If you want to spend that much on a headunit. I would also like to recommend Pioneer 8650
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navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,365 Thanked: 9,591 Times	How do you buy a Pioneer in India with a Bill and Warranty? gunbir, i have the 9833 and i would like to knwo what problems i should expect.
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22nd September 2005, 10:54	#119
Autophile BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 931 Thanked: 4 Times	I don't think Pioneer is available with Bill & Warranty in India. Its gray market everywhere.
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22nd September 2005, 11:15	#120
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,365 Thanked: 9,591 Times	My point. Cant recommend Pioneer if Pioneer wont stand behind their product and offer a warranty. They expcet to make money of servicing new Pioneers by making sure the product is only available without bill and warranty. After al they have many authorised service centers in India. Lamblasting them for this level of marketing has not helped.
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