[sam_sant2005]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Which new car? Which 2 channel amp do you have?

IMHO you should get a 4 channel amp, and drive the front components and sub through it. The 4 channel amp is not going to be substantially costlier than a new 2 channel amp. The ovals in the rear can be driven off the HU. It will be easier to tune the system this way, rather than all speakers off HU and sub on amp.

If you don't want to discard the 2 channel amp, continue using it for the sub and put the rear ovals on the 4 channel amp.

Thanks buddy. You gave the apt info. Your plan sounds great. Car is Swift.

[manishalive]

I have asked a similar question to this, Now I have more doubt.

I have bought the Kenwood Excelon kdc-X996. Now I need to get the install and speakers done.

I have finalised EVO for the installation place. Now I need some advice on speakers amp and other stuff.

I plan to have following -

1.) Three way components -
2.) Three way coaxial in the rear parcel tray,
Can these be driven off the HU without Amplifier. I am on a tight budget.
3.) Amplifier- If it is really required.

I am not much of a bass fan. Also as of now I will only install the front components cause 90% we only do front seat driving.

As of now I have 10k as budget for Install and Front 3 way components.

My questions -

In this budget (excluding 3k for install and damping) what are the good speakers and can a 3 way fit into a Maruti Suzuki Swift??

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by manishalive

... 1.) Three way components -
...
Can these be driven off the HU without Amplifier. I am on a tight budget.
3.) Amplifier- If it is really required.

I am not much of a bass fan. Also as of now I will only install the front components cause 90% we only do front seat driving.

As of now I have 10k as budget for Install and Front 3 way components.
...

1. Why 3-way components? Have you felt any deficiencies with 2-way components?

2. Driven off the HU internal amps, the 3-way components will not be able to bring out their potential. Even if one doesn't drive the woofer/mid/tweeter separately using a channel each of an amp (bi-/tri-amping), the higher current dumping capability will bring out more from 3-way components

3. I doubt if you will get 3-way components at anything less than 18-20K. Low volumes = high price

4. Even if you are not a 'bass fan' (just you wait! ), it is better to put in an external amp - the difference is noticeable. You need not put a sub, even the 6x9s will give a decent sense of bass. To overcome budget limitations, spend on 2-way components and 6x9s now, and buy the amp later

[manishalive]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

1. Why 3-way components? Have you felt any deficiencies with 2-way components?

2. Driven off the HU internal amps, the 3-way components will not be able to bring out their potential. Even if one doesn't drive the woofer/mid/tweeter separately using a channel each of an amp (bi-/tri-amping), the higher current dumping capability will bring out more from 3-way components

3. I doubt if you will get 3-way components at anything less than 18-20K. Low volumes = high price

4. Even if you are not a 'bass fan' (just you wait! ), it is better to put in an external amp - the difference is noticeable. You need not put a sub, even the 6x9s will give a decent sense of bass. To overcome budget limitations, spend on 2-way components and 6x9s now, and buy the amp later

Wow you answer some of my doubt's. So 3 way is out of equation. And yes I was thinking of Amp at a later stage. Now If you can give me some pointers on the-

1.) front components -

2.) Rear 6X9

3.) Amp.

My budget can increase on the speakers (AMP can be at a later stage as you suggest).

Thanks once again for a strainght reply, I am novice in Audio stuff .

Asking out of curiosity + This info would be helpful for my next car which would be bought soon.

How about going for a Pioneer double din HU whcih has 50X4 amplifier inbuilt + Two pairs of Component speakers (2 Way) Mostly Infinity kappa series installed in all 4 doors.

Speakers are run through HU. + A mono block amp only for a JBL GT550 Woofer (Closed enclosure), which had been taken from my earlier ride.

I have a 4 CH amp made by some Wilson or some company, which i think is a local one. Didnt had Vitamin M around 6 years ago. How about using the same Amp and power the Components.

Which setup would be the best? Regd music, i listen metal like Metallica, and others. + Regular Hindi songs.

[navin]

Originally Posted by gemi_kk

How about going for a Pioneer double din HU whcih has 50X4 amplifier inbuilt + Two pairs of Component speakers (2 Way) Mostly Infinity kappa series installed in all 4 doors.

Speakers are run through HU. + A mono block amp only for a JBL GT550 Woofer (Closed enclosure), which had been taken from my earlier ride.

I have a 4 CH amp made by some Wilson or some company, which i think is a local one. Didnt had Vitamin M around 6 years ago. How about using the same Amp and power the Components.

Which setup would be the best? Regd music, i listen metal like Metallica, and others. + Regular Hindi songs.

I have never heard of Wilson car audio amplifiers. I would rather just use the HU till you can afford a Pioneer, Kenwood, JBL, etc.. These amps sell for about 6-7K plus you need 2-3K for RCA wires.

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by manishalive

... 1.) front components -

2.) Rear 6X9

3.) Amp. ...

Depending on what you can get near you conveniently:

1. Front components: Infinity Reference or Primus, Morel, Auditor, Bull, Polk, Boston Acoustics etc. (~6K)

2. Rear: 3-way 6x9 coax - JBL, Infinity, Polk, Pio, etc. (4-5K)

3. Amp: 4-ch Kenwood, JBL, Auditor, Pio, even Sony at a pinch (~6K)

Do budget some money for good speaker and RCA cables etc. For power, you can even use good teflon coated domestic wiring cables, which are cheaper than imported cables. Also, do audition the speakers before buying - your ears are the best judge.

Originally Posted by gemi_kk

... Speakers are run through HU. + A mono block amp only for a JBL GT550 Woofer (Closed enclosure), which had been taken from my earlier ride.

I have a 4 CH amp made by some Wilson or some company, which i think is a local one. Didnt had Vitamin M around 6 years ago. How about using the same Amp and power the Components. ...

Err... Do you mean to say that you have had an amp all this time (doesn't matter which) and didn't use it? Strange!

As long as the amp is not introducing sounds of it's own into the music, even the Wilson amp that you have would have contributed to a large difference over the HU internal amp. The HU internal amp by the way is 50W MUSIC x 4, equivalent of 14-15W RMS, which would compare rather poorly with that amp which will likely be rated 40W RMS x 4 at least.

Try it, you won't lose anything - you have already paid for it, right? The least you will get is a balanced system (after some good tuning) which can play louder when the music demands it.

[manishalive]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Depending on what you can get near you conveniently:

1. Front components: Infinity Reference or Primus, Morel, Auditor, Bull, Polk, Boston Acoustics etc. (~6K)

2. Rear: 3-way 6x9 coax - JBL, Infinity, Polk, Pio, etc. (4-5K)

3. Amp: 4-ch Kenwood, JBL, Auditor, Pio, even Sony at a pinch (~6K)

Do budget some money for good speaker and RCA cables etc. For power, you can even use good teflon coated domestic wiring cables, which are cheaper than imported cables. Also, do audition the speakers before buying - your ears are the best judge.

Thanks for the kind advice, this pretty much does for me. I have got the infor on auditioning for our other esteemed members including Naveen but in bangalore most of the guys I have met do not have facility to have the speakers auditioned, do you know of any place where I can audition them.

[DerAlte]

All the good installers (check the directory) will audition speakers - EVO, Thouqeer, Anwar (near JNC), Sachin's Autoshop, the one near Football Stadium, etc.

[mashmash]

Any suggestions for 4" components? Also, one of my rear 6x9s is slightly louder than the other one. Is that normal? They are driven by a Pioneer HU.

The front are balanced which are run via an external Amp, which also drives the Sub.

MaSh

Originally Posted by navin

I have never heard of Wilson car audio amplifiers. I would rather just use the HU till you can afford a Pioneer, Kenwood, JBL, etc.. These amps sell for about 6-7K plus you need 2-3K for RCA wires.

Buying an Amp is not a problem. I am at home now and i see that the amp brand is Auzo. One channel in this Amp is not working.

Just trying to know which would be more better. Getting a new 4 ch amp of Pioneer make or should i go for a monoblock using the Amp of HU.

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Err... Do you mean to say that you have had an amp all this time (doesn't matter which) and didn't use it? Strange!

As long as the amp is not introducing sounds of it's own into the music, even the Wilson amp that you have would have contributed to a large difference over the HU internal amp. The HU internal amp by the way is 50W MUSIC x 4, equivalent of 14-15W RMS, which would compare rather poorly with that amp which will likely be rated 40W RMS x 4 at least.

Try it, you won't lose anything - you have already paid for it, right? The least you will get is a balanced system (after some good tuning) which can play louder when the music demands it.

The Amp brand is Auzo. It costed around 7k in 2006. It was in use since 2006. Recently i sold my car and now i have the Woofer + AMP. So trying to know what best could be installed in my next car.

[navin]

Originally Posted by gemi_kk

Just trying to know which would be more better. Getting a new 4 ch amp of Pioneer make or should i go for a monoblock using the Amp of HU.

You could get a 4ch. and ridge 2 channels for the subwoofer. Then, later, when you get a monoblock un-bridge the 2 channels and use them for the rear speakers.

[mashmash]

Originally Posted by navin

You could get a 4ch. and ridge 2 channels for the subwoofer. Then, later, when you get a monoblock un-bridge the 2 channels and use them for the rear speakers.

Would a 2 Channel amp for the Sub do a decent job? Mono-blocks are ideal but expensive.

[navin]

Originally Posted by mashmash

Would a 2 Channel amp for the Sub do a decent job? Mono-blocks are ideal but expensive.

If it can be bridged why not. But 4ch. amps usually cost only a little more than their 2 ch. counterparts.

[mashmash]

Originally Posted by navin

If it can be bridged why not. But 4ch. amps usually cost only a little more than their 2 ch. counterparts.

Yes, they do, but I already got a 4 channel which is driving the front and the sub currently. I Intend to hook up the rears to this amp and dedicate a 2 channel amp to the Sub.

Also looking to replace the front 4" speakers with 4" components. Hunt is on. I remember Kicker had some 4" comps in the market, but not sure if they still sell them.

MaSh