Pioneer with JBL Speakers.. Crackling sound

glidealong · 5th February 2008, 00:06

Hi all gurus,

I had installed Pioneer 4050UB with JBL GTO 937 6x9 at rear and JBL GTO 607c component speakers at the front for my Swift. The whole installation with the rear parcel tray(3/4 inch thickness) costed me 16K at trivandrum. The installation was not that pretty good since i had to go back to the shop (Car Shoppy, Trivandrum) several times to get the system properly installed.

IT's been 2 weeks and now i notice a new interesting artifact in my audio. When i am moving on rough roads or when i am breaking the right side tweeter in the front(the GTO 607c) makes a crackling sound. Like a telephone line gone wrong during the monsoon!!!. I need some expert advise from you gurus on the topic.. Sam , do u have time for this? i would really apreciate if you could tell me if it could be anything with the crossover network/ tweeter?

I am asking you this, because the installer is almost clueless on many of the issues , i want to be a bit more aware before i go and talk to this guy.

Any help is apreciated..
Thanks in advance

saintsinner · 5th February 2008, 03:39

maybe its the wiring, it might be getting short somewhere. or say some naked wires must be touching the car body.

many a times speaker wires come under a screw and get damaged. or it could be just loose connections with crossover or HU.

JBL makes some great speakers, the gto936e i have in my accent were originally installed in my scorpio, in the boot door. this car runs in rajasthan under very rough conditions. and image the JBL's were abused by kicks and "jootis" of villagers sitting at the back or were hammered by cargo. the 607's are still installed and work great!

Are you using an amp?

low_bass_makker · 5th February 2008, 11:08

Like SS has pointed out it can be loose connection or speaker wiring touching the metal body. Get it rectified ASAP or you HU amp might get damage.

Also is only one tweeter is making this sound or all the speakers.

Dhar's · 5th February 2008, 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by glidealong

Hi all gurus,

The installation was not that pretty good since i had to go back to the shop (Car Shoppy, Trivandrum) several times to get the system properly installed.

Is it the shop opp. Sony showroom? Somebody by the name Vinod?

Like SS and LBM pointed out, it must be loose or naked wires somewhere. This guy usually joints wires by just twisting it and taping it.

I had installed my system from him. My mistake. I had to re-do all wiring and connections myself.

Sam Kapasi · 5th February 2008, 12:20

Hi baba,

In most probability the wires from the HU to the crossover and theron are not tightened properly. Ask him to remove the corssover unit, undo the speaker cables and reconnect them properly and all tight.

Also check if the front speaker terminals (on the same side side as the tweeter) is perhaps touching the car chassis.

glidealong · 14th February 2008, 10:54

Thank You for all the great responses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsinner

Are you using an amp?

Not yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

Also is only one tweeter is making this sound or all the speakers.

Yes only one tweeter was making noise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dhar's

Is it the shop opp. Sony showroom? Somebody by the name Vinod?
I had installed my system from him. My mistake. I had to re-do all wiring and connections myself.

Yes.. that's the guy and he has shifted to a new shop in Pongumood. To be nice, the guys are quite unprofessional. And i hope the installation doesnt blow out midway.
And regarding the issue I went into the shop and as you guys pointed out it was some loose wiring. The guy took off the crossover unit and fixed the wiring.
And one more thing happened in between. The left side front speaker(GTO 607) went out. No audio was playing and when i took it to Carshoppy he was saying the JBL speaker connectors are not made to fit tightly and it could come off when doing some rough rides.
Anyway he got it all fixed now. But I lost almost a week for this stuff..
Phew.
Thanks again to you all and especially Sam, the JBL specialist.

low_bass_makker · 14th February 2008, 14:39

Good to hear that your problem is sorted out.

addyhemmige · 24th November 2009, 13:05

Hi guys, I am facing a similar problem in my swift. I have installed JBL GTO component speakers in the front and Boston S9(3) 6X9 co-axials at the rear. My HU is a pioneer 5090.

Right from the day one, I used to hear a crackling sound from my rear left speaker, the Boston. I took this up with the dealer and after a few weeks, he replaced it under warranty. The new speaker was working fine for a couple of months and suddenly I started to hear crackling noises from it. When I took it back to the dealer, the noises took a break and stopped. Again, after a couple of days, it started back. I told the dealer about this and he said he cannot do anything until he himself hears the crackling noises.

After a couple of days, the crackling noises stopped and they showed up again after 6 months. Again, it was temporary and it disappeared. Now, after 1.5 years from purchase, those sounds have started again. The speaker does not have warranty and I have to get it repaired myself.

Can anybody tell me the reason for the crackling noises?

DerAlte · 24th November 2009, 14:09

Loose connection at the speaker. Either the crimped incoming speaker wire (I hope they are crimped; hope the installer has not just twisted it around the terminal!), or at the HU end.

Ravi Nandrajog · 25th November 2009, 23:46

There is some problem in these Boston s9(3) 6x9 speakers as i have come across similar problem a couple of months back. These Boston speakers are not impressive at all.
Fortunately i got them replaced with gto 947

addyhemmige · 27th November 2009, 11:41

Even I wanted to replace them with the JBLs. But the day I went to the dealer, the speakers started functioning normally as if there was nothing wrong

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@Der Alte, what do you mean by 'crimped'? I haven't seen the HU end, but he has not twisted the wire around the terminal of the speaker.

I had asked my installer to check the wiring, he said that there was nothing wrong with it.

DerAlte · 27th November 2009, 14:07

"Crimped" = Push-fit terminal crimped at the end of the speaker wire, which is then pushed over the speaker terminal.

2 more possibilites:
1. Electrical intermittence somewhere else in the inducing electrical noise, though this should appear in all speakers
2. Intermittence in the internal connection (to mid/tweeter via XO) in the left rear speaker. Much more difficult to diagnose - you have to open the speaker and, with a tweezer, give each internal wire a good shake till you pinpoint the culprit joint

addyhemmige · 27th November 2009, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAlte

"Crimped" = Push-fit terminal crimped at the end of the speaker wire, which is then pushed over the speaker terminal.

2 more possibilites:
1. Electrical intermittence somewhere else in the inducing electrical noise, though this should appear in all speakers
2. Intermittence in the internal connection (to mid/tweeter via XO) in the left rear speaker. Much more difficult to diagnose - you have to open the speaker and, with a tweezer, give each internal wire a good shake till you pinpoint the culprit joint

Yep, my speaker is connected with crimps.

The sound comes only from the rear left speaker and nowadays, it has got a mind of its own. It starts crackling one day and then will be clear for the next few days. Again, it'll start and clear. This has been happening frequently now.

Swordfish · 2nd December 2009, 16:24

This is such an interesting topic.
I have the same configs and same noice for which i have to skip many songs because the noice is too much for some kinds of music.
I think i should get a check done.

Anyone can suggest a good guy in Hyderabad? Who understands, can check and fix the wiring?

thanks much guys.

5th February 2008, 00:06	#1
glidealong BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 97 Thanked: 9 Times	Pioneer with JBL Speakers.. Crackling sound Hi all gurus, I had installed Pioneer 4050UB with JBL GTO 937 6x9 at rear and JBL GTO 607c component speakers at the front for my Swift. The whole installation with the rear parcel tray(3/4 inch thickness) costed me 16K at trivandrum. The installation was not that pretty good since i had to go back to the shop (Car Shoppy, Trivandrum) several times to get the system properly installed. IT's been 2 weeks and now i notice a new interesting artifact in my audio. When i am moving on rough roads or when i am breaking the right side tweeter in the front(the GTO 607c) makes a crackling sound. Like a telephone line gone wrong during the monsoon!!!. I need some expert advise from you gurus on the topic.. Sam , do u have time for this? i would really apreciate if you could tell me if it could be anything with the crossover network/ tweeter? I am asking you this, because the installer is almost clueless on many of the issues , i want to be a bit more aware before i go and talk to this guy. Any help is apreciated.. Thanks in advance
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5th February 2008, 03:39	#2
saintsinner BANNED Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Noida Posts: 612 Thanked: 11 Times	maybe its the wiring, it might be getting short somewhere. or say some naked wires must be touching the car body. many a times speaker wires come under a screw and get damaged. or it could be just loose connections with crossover or HU. JBL makes some great speakers, the gto936e i have in my accent were originally installed in my scorpio, in the boot door. this car runs in rajasthan under very rough conditions. and image the JBL's were abused by kicks and "jootis" of villagers sitting at the back or were hammered by cargo. the 607's are still installed and work great! Are you using an amp?
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5th February 2008, 11:08	#3
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,813 Thanked: 306 Times View My Garage	Like SS has pointed out it can be loose connection or speaker wiring touching the metal body. Get it rectified ASAP or you HU amp might get damage. Also is only one tweeter is making this sound or all the speakers.
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5th February 2008, 12:20	#5
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,939 Thanked: 2,479 Times View My Garage	Hi baba, In most probability the wires from the HU to the crossover and theron are not tightened properly. Ask him to remove the corssover unit, undo the speaker cables and reconnect them properly and all tight. Also check if the front speaker terminals (on the same side side as the tweeter) is perhaps touching the car chassis.
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14th February 2008, 14:39	#7
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,813 Thanked: 306 Times View My Garage	Good to hear that your problem is sorted out.
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24th November 2009, 13:05	#8
addyhemmige Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bangalore/Hassan Posts: 1,527 Thanked: 490 Times View My Garage	Hi guys, I am facing a similar problem in my swift. I have installed JBL GTO component speakers in the front and Boston S9(3) 6X9 co-axials at the rear. My HU is a pioneer 5090. Right from the day one, I used to hear a crackling sound from my rear left speaker, the Boston. I took this up with the dealer and after a few weeks, he replaced it under warranty. The new speaker was working fine for a couple of months and suddenly I started to hear crackling noises from it. When I took it back to the dealer, the noises took a break and stopped. Again, after a couple of days, it started back. I told the dealer about this and he said he cannot do anything until he himself hears the crackling noises. After a couple of days, the crackling noises stopped and they showed up again after 6 months. Again, it was temporary and it disappeared. Now, after 1.5 years from purchase, those sounds have started again. The speaker does not have warranty and I have to get it repaired myself. Can anybody tell me the reason for the crackling noises?
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24th November 2009, 14:09	#9
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,035 Thanked: 2,920 Times	Loose connection at the speaker. Either the crimped incoming speaker wire (I hope they are crimped; hope the installer has not just twisted it around the terminal!), or at the HU end.
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25th November 2009, 23:46	#10
Ravi Nandrajog BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 38 Thanked: 0 Times	There is some problem in these Boston s9(3) 6x9 speakers as i have come across similar problem a couple of months back. These Boston speakers are not impressive at all. Fortunately i got them replaced with gto 947
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27th November 2009, 11:41	#11
addyhemmige Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bangalore/Hassan Posts: 1,527 Thanked: 490 Times View My Garage	Even I wanted to replace them with the JBLs. But the day I went to the dealer, the speakers started functioning normally as if there was nothing wrong. @Der Alte, what do you mean by 'crimped'? I haven't seen the HU end, but he has not twisted the wire around the terminal of the speaker. I had asked my installer to check the wiring, he said that there was nothing wrong with it. Last edited by addyhemmige : 27th November 2009 at 11:44.
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27th November 2009, 14:07	#12
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,035 Thanked: 2,920 Times	"Crimped" = Push-fit terminal crimped at the end of the speaker wire, which is then pushed over the speaker terminal. 2 more possibilites: 1. Electrical intermittence somewhere else in the inducing electrical noise, though this should appear in all speakers 2. Intermittence in the internal connection (to mid/tweeter via XO) in the left rear speaker. Much more difficult to diagnose - you have to open the speaker and, with a tweezer, give each internal wire a good shake till you pinpoint the culprit joint
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2nd December 2009, 16:24	#14
Swordfish BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 27 Thanked: 3 Times	This is such an interesting topic. I have the same configs and same noice for which i have to skip many songs because the noice is too much for some kinds of music. I think i should get a check done. Anyone can suggest a good guy in Hyderabad? Who understands, can check and fix the wiring? thanks much guys.
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