[Sbk__Audiophile]

Originally Posted by SNayak

Yesterday I managed to get the DSP and the sub installed in my Jimny. The sound is much better now but still not to the expected levels. The bass produced is not to my expectation and my installer says it's because of the crappy headunit. So @Sbk__Audiophile now I fully understand what you said in the beginning. The head unit is the actual culprit behind the poor audio quality in Jimny. So the replacement is a must if you are looking for some good sound. So that's next in my plan

As you had pointed regarding the Pioneer headunit that you have experience in installing in Jimny. So my question is if the canbus is available for Jimny and also all the steering controls and the mic works with this Pioneer unit ?

Also any constraints that you see for changing to this Pioneer head unit that you had used I.e. DMH-AP6650BT ?

Cheers.

Dear SNayak,

Let me point out something. The source quality you are running the signal from makes all the difference. If the equipment is built on low quality chipset it will reflect. Theres not detune or uptune with DSPs. Unless youre running direct through an exceptional DSP which usually costs twice as the headunit. The Nakamichi unit is an entry level DSP that can sort a lot of issues and costs as much as a converter. Its good in that way but dont expect any magic.

The headunit was installed by my installer, not my car. It was a direct fit he told. No fusses.

Do post the equipment list and wiring. Maybe we can help in sorting the issue.

Regards,

[SNayak]

Originally Posted by Sbk__Audiophile

Dear SNayak,

Do post the equipment list and wiring. Maybe we can help in sorting the issue.

Regards,

Thanks for your response. Here are the details -

1. Front : JL C1 Component
2. Rear : JL C1 Coaxial
3. Sony GS4 amplifier
4. Sub Woofer Gladen M10
5. Nakamichi ndsk4285au DSP

Sub woofer is powered by bridging two channels of amplifier. The configuration of DSP as below -

Channel 1 & 2 : Front tweeters
Channel 3 & 4 : Front Speakers
Channel 5 &6 : Rear Speakers
Channel 7 & 8 : Sub woofer

Don't have the details of the wiring. However the RC cables were gold plated is what I was told to reduce the signal loss

[Sbk__Audiophile]

Originally Posted by SNayak

Thanks for your response. Here are the details -

1. Front : JL C1 Component
2. Rear : JL C1 Coaxial
3. Sony GS4 amplifier
4. Sub Woofer Gladen M10
5. Nakamichi ndsk4285au DSP

Sub woofer is powered by bridging two channels of amplifier. The configuration of DSP as below -

Channel 1 & 2 : Front tweeters
Channel 3 & 4 : Front Speakers
Channel 5 &6 : Rear Speakers
Channel 7 & 8 : Sub woofer

Don't have the details of the wiring. However the RC cables were gold plated is what I was told to reduce the signal loss

Thats a decent list of equipment SNayak.

I understand youre running active. But are you using all 4 channels of Amplifier or only powering the sub? Also does the dsp support BT? If yes did you try running through that?

Cheers.

[Mr.Boss]

Originally Posted by Sbk__Audiophile

are you using all 4 channels of Amplifier or only powering the sub?

I'm assuming front mid bass & Sub-woofer driven by the 4ch amp; front tweeters & rear co-ax driven through the amplifier in DSP.

[Sbk__Audiophile]

Originally Posted by Mr.Boss

I'm assuming front mid bass & Sub-woofer driven by the 4ch amp; front tweeters & rear co-ax driven through the amplifier in DSP.

Even I wouldve assumed. The speaker goes even well without amplification.
The speaker is usually a great direct combo with good headunits.

My installer is a fan of Jimny installs. He does this pioneer stereo + Ousail F165.2 (almost 10K INR). He said the cabin is small so even that helps.

His installs were similar. Pioneer headunits + Plug and play speaker + Mono/Sub. Basic but great. BTW they were passive not active.

[SNayak]

Originally Posted by Sbk__Audiophile

Thats a decent list of equipment SNayak.

I understand youre running active. But are you using all 4 channels of Amplifier or only powering the sub? Also does the dsp support BT? If yes did you try running through that?

Cheers.

Indeed it's an active setup. It's a 4 channel amp and two channels are bridged to power the Sub and another two for front components.

The DSP does support BT and there is a option to play through the same. The sound quality is much better in the BT with good bass. However it misses out on High and Mid as it's not tuned correctly. It's exactly opposite when I play from my HU where in the Mid & High sounds good but the Bass is unsatisfactory. What I was told by the installer that this is the limitation of the HU and the Bass even though gets increased it sounds boomy

It's a pity that my installer was asking for additional charges for doing the RTA for BT source .

So I had to back out as the charges for RTA tuning is hoping 5K. Planning to learn on my own and tune it later

[Sbk__Audiophile]

Originally Posted by SNayak

Indeed it's an active setup. It's a 4 channel amp and two channels are bridged to power the Sub and another two for front components.

The DSP does support BT and there is a option to play through the same. The sound quality is much better in the BT with good bass. However it misses out on High and Mid as it's not tuned correctly. It's exactly opposite when I play from my HU where in the Mid & High sounds good but the Bass is unsatisfactory. What I was told by the installer that this is the limitation of the HU and the Bass even though gets increased it sounds boomy

It's a pity that my installer was asking for additional charges for doing the RTA for BT source .

So I had to back out as the charges for RTA tuning is hoping 5K. Planning to learn on my own and tune it later

Dear SNayak,

Let me take an opportunity to guide you here. RTA ing does not bring bass. He can bring it without the RTA. The tuner is not competent here. Why dont you try the following.

Install the headunit. Connect the rear direct. Plug the Front and Sub to the sony amp. This would work best for you. In this case monitor the quality of Speaker cables, power wires and RCA.

The installer told you the RCAs are gold plated. I find it fishy as they cost almost the total setup. Please ask what brand as they are crucial in audio quality.

My first install with crappy RCAs shot the rear speakers. It could've damaged other components even. The margins are usually in these installation accessories.

Best to keep it simple in your first install unless you're so sure about the installer. Don't go active unless the installer is extremely competent. That's my opinion. Active may bring staging but thats not what youre looking for here. Let me add that passive setups are not inferior. They lack the ability for staging and bringing out life.

You can even upgrade later to front 3-Way here without additional connection, but make sure the cables are lifetime stuff. I use Aura Power cables and ESX RCA cables.
Simply fabricate the front and connect directly. Let me post an example.



Good Luck.

[SNayak]

Originally Posted by Sbk__Audiophile

Dear SNayak,

Let me take an opportunity to guide you here.
Simply fabricate the front and connect directly. Let me post an example.

Attachment 2700490

Good Luck.

Many thanks sir for your guidance @sbk_Audiophile. Will follow what you have suggested. The setup that you had shown for the Jimny in the above post is quite tempting and looks so nicely done

This would be something which I would prefer to do in the future if budget allows for the same

[Sbk__Audiophile]

Originally Posted by SNayak

Indeed it's an active setup. It's a 4 channel amp and two channels are bridged to power the Sub and another two for front components.

The DSP does support BT and there is a option to play through the same. The sound quality is much better in the BT with good bass. However it misses out on High and Mid as it's not tuned correctly. It's exactly opposite when I play from my HU where in the Mid & High sounds good but the Bass is unsatisfactory. What I was told by the installer that this is the limitation of the HU and the Bass even though gets increased it sounds boomy

It's a pity that my installer was asking for additional charges for doing the RTA for BT source .

So I had to back out as the charges for RTA tuning is hoping 5K. Planning to learn on my own and tune it later

Let me come back on this. Is the Amp powering the front components or the front midbass only?

[SNayak]

Originally Posted by Sbk__Audiophile

Let me come back on this. Is the Amp powering the front components or the front midbass only?

The two channel of the amplifier is powering the front mid-bass, and other two channels for bridged to power the sub woofer.

[Mr.Boss]

Originally Posted by SNayak

Indeed it's an active setup.

Originally Posted by SNayak

The two channel of the amplifier is powering the front mid-bass, and other two channels for bridged to power the sub woofer.

Couldn't understand how the components are running active with only 2 channels.

[Sbk__Audiophile]

Originally Posted by Mr.Boss

Couldn't understand how the components are running active with only 2 channels.

The DSP unit has 4 channels of 35W amp on paper. Hes running the rest via that.

[RoadFiend]

Hello all - request your advice:

I'm looking for a modest Jimny audio upgrade, leaning more towards SQ vs SPL.

I listen to rock and blues etc., from a couple of decades ago, and the vocals, guitars, instruments, soundstage matter more to me; and I'm almost indifferent to bass.

I have set a target budget of within Rs 2,00,000.

Here are my current thoughts:

1. Head unit - I actually don't mind the stock 9" head unit. But as pointed by others in this thread, it's considered garbage, so I'm ok with an update to the head unit. The Pioneer AP6650bt seems to fit flush in the Jimny and probably a good choice?
   
   
2. DSP - I'm influenced by members here who've explained how critical the tuning is for a listener's preferences and also the unique geometry of a vehicle. Accordingly, we need a DSP. What would be a good-enough model that allows for easy tuning with a mic and DSP's app?
   
   
3. Amplifier - Of course, a crucial piece! What can drive a 3 piece front component set with a two piece rear component (or co-axial?) set, providing enough power? I am told some amplifiers come with good in-built DSP. I like my music clear, not loud. What amp should I consider?
   
   
4. Speakers - What's the cheapest combo of a 3 piece front component set with a two piece rear component (or co-axial?) set that would do justice to having a DSP and an amp, and yet be well within my target budget? I would prefer a silk\cloth dome tweeter instead of metal(ic) as I find the latter too harsh.
   
   
5. Damping - what are the portions of car that should be damped? I am not looking for quietness matching the X5; just enough to do the audio upgrade justice.
   
   
6. Wiring, harnesses, fuses - Anything specific to keep an eye out for. I assume power will need to be tapped directly from the battery? I also assume the above pieces are modest enough so as to not require any power components?

Yes, I intentionally left out a sub-woofer as I am hoping the mid-range drivers will have enough low-range woof (for my bass-fearing ears). If unavoidable, I'll request an under seat one.

Is my budget reasonable? What brands should I consider. Mix-and-match?

And installers you'd recommend who are really good at tuning?

tia

[Sbk__Audiophile]

Originally Posted by RoadFiend

I'm looking for a modest Jimny audio upgrade, leaning more towards SQ vs SPL.

I listen to rock and blues etc., from a couple of decades ago, and the vocals, guitars, instruments, soundstage matter more to me; and I'm almost indifferent to bass.

Your budget is a seriously good one brother. Let me give some suggestion on it.

Headunit - Pioneer 6650 BT. From your description you're into SQ.

Lets say damping and Headunit set back you by 50-60K. Now its your choice to go plug and play, passive or active.

Ive seen Ousail F165 perform best at plug and play in Jimny.

If passive choose a great 4/5 channel and then choose speakers which run best with them. Or choosing the speakers first and the amp that runs best with it also works. You can add a Standalone DSP later if you want to go active. Youll need to do wiring again in this case.

For Active, if you prefer a DSP-Amp go for Helix V Eight. Its an 8-Channel Amp and got 10-channel DSP so it can drive your front 3-way active and the rear all in active. I've heard great things about it and it'll save you space. If you install from speedfreaks, check at Goldhorn also. Make sure you choose the speakers later in this case as theyll need to be much more sensitive to give similar output.

All these should come under 2L budget. I always suggest to get the DSP/Amp the best you can initially itself. You can go 2-way active first with V-Eight and later add any midrange of your taste with good fabrication. Or you can go 3-way passive and later add a DSP as the Pioneer is a killer. Look at Ousail SQ165.3 in that case. They are handmade speakers and I'm using the set in 2-way active.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-e...ail-helix.html (MG ZS EV Audio Build | Ousail & Helix)

Cheers

[ChauhanSaurabh]

Originally Posted by SNayak

I am in the process of upgrading my Jimmy’s audio and progressed a bit on the same. I have done damping of all five doors and upgraded the speakers to JL audio 650 components and added a Sony amp to power the same. It’s already sounding nice however not clean. So next planned upgrade is a DSP and a sub woofer. Let’s see how it goes

Originally Posted by SNayak

Thanks for your response. Here are the details -

1. Front : JL C1 Component
2. Rear : JL C1 Coaxial

Guys, can you share how you managed to install the C1 Components in stock cavity. Did you use any size converter like this?

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/pro...QENFRJN5&psc=1