DIY SQ install: Gill's Swift

clipto333 · 15th September 2007, 04:00

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Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

No reference to Gill's scenario or the equipment whatsoever but, bottoming is not always caused due to an amplifier delivering more power than the subs power handling/ safe operating range. Clipping can also cause it, and mostly does. Which is again, more power than the sub can handle, in a way. But not good power.

i agree with you sirji. a sub can also bottom at low frequency with little power if im not wrong

cheers

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Originally Posted by ScarySkulls

Exams start from Monday. I was busy with my Bro who was here from Ohio.

Anyways, if you need a new 2channel Amp fo front, then that's SRX2S.
Wait till you save up enough for it.
Till then, enjoy the current system. I think you will enjoy it more in a couple of weeks when my exams finish.
That is when you get a special PRO tune up to the system.
Just dont ask the details, when and how

rajat, i would suggest reading the specs before advising. no offence meant

an srx2s can pump out 180w rms per channel at 13.8v and 135w at 12v 4ohms. it will be too much for the energy components which has a power handling of 100w rms. so i suggest not to buy it for the comps gill has.

i just gave an example when i mentioned the srx2s.

and please concentrate on your studies first. thats your first priority ;-)

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Originally Posted by ScarySkulls

Apologies for my late reply Gill sahab.
Went through this thread, and first of all, where are the pics man? Its been so many days and you didnt click pics till now? Bad Boy. Booooo.

A very clear and obvious suggestion. Pairing Elletromedia made Amp with Ellectromedia made speakers is the best suggestion.

Yes I know. This is going to happen very soon. Hehe.

Sub is getting enough power. You remember we could make it bottom out.

Anyways, Ground Reality check. We are not PRO in tuning.
Wait till you get a proper tune up done of your system. DRASTIC CHANGE will be there. Both in Sub integration and soundstage.

lets complete the setup first and then we will post pics. the wiring needs to be cleaned up and installed properly so that they are not visible.

rajat, a tune up will not make that much of a difference as you are suggesting bro. IMHO the tuning was ok. its good you will be getting the setup tuned by a PRO. that way i think gill will be satisfied. :-)

and please shed some light on how there will be a drastic change in sub integration and sound stage.

i mean no offense bro. im out of smileys.

cheers
clip

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scaryskulls - A very clear and obvious suggestion. Pairing Elletromedia made Amp with Ellectromedia made speakers is the best suggestion.

nai bhai. a good amp mated to good speakers will be as good if not better.

low_bass_makker · 15th September 2007, 10:50

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Originally Posted by clipto333

and please shed some light on how there will be a drastic change in sub integration and sound stage.

This is the most tricky part. what I have observed in my car is that if the sub is playing below 80 hz then it will work in phase of the fronts but when I play it for 50 to 150 hz then it work better out phase.

This in car sub tuning is some serious stuff. For my car I am looking for a good RTA to check the response.

panky12345 · 15th September 2007, 11:34

my dear friend LBM.... where were you for long?

What is this RTA?

low_bass_makker · 15th September 2007, 14:30

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Originally Posted by panky12345

my dear friend LBM.... where were you for long?

What is this RTA?

I am here my friend.

RTA -> Real time analyzer.

Real Time Analyzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ScarySkulls · 15th September 2007, 15:06

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Originally Posted by clipto333

an srx2s can pump out 180w rms per channel at 13.8v and 135w at 12v 4ohms. it will be too much for the energy components which has a power handling of 100w rms.

I dont think the amp has to run at full power everytime.
The ESK165 have continuos power rating of 100W and Peak of 200W.

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Originally Posted by clipto333

rajat, a tune up will not make that much of a difference as you are suggesting bro. IMHO the tuning was ok. its good you will be getting the setup tuned by a PRO. that way i think gill will be satisfied. :-)

and please shed some light on how there will be a drastic change in sub integration and sound stage.

Lets just say that my gut feeling says so Clip Sir. Lets see if it's right or wrong.

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Originally Posted by clipto333

nai bhai. a good amp mated to good speakers will be as good if not better.

OK.
Anyways,my suggestion was more with a personal preference bias.
End is what Gill picks.

Gill · 15th September 2007, 15:32

what about these amps:-

Kenwood 8103D
Kenwood KAC X10D
Any idea about the prices??

clipto333 · 15th September 2007, 15:59

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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

This is the most tricky part. what I have observed in my car is that if the sub is playing below 80 hz then it will work in phase of the fronts but when I play it for 50 to 150 hz then it work better out phase.

This in car sub tuning is some serious stuff. For my car I am looking for a good RTA to check the response.

it is serious stuff i agree. i didn't understand what you said. :-) no offense.

when you play your sub below 80z then it works in phase i understand.
but when you play it for 50 to 150 hz, then it works better out of phase i didnt. honestly

are you saying your sub when played from 50 to 150Hzit works better and it is out of phase with the fronts?

please clarify paaji.

cheers
clip

clipto333 · 15th September 2007, 16:36

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Originally Posted by ScarySkulls

I dont think the amp has to run at full power everytime.
The ESK165 have continuos power rating of 100W and Peak of 200W.

rajat, please dont take this personally.

and yes, i apologize for my earlier post. i didnt realize but it was rude. me sorry :-)

Lets just say that my gut feeling says so Clip Sir. Lets see if it's right or wrong. [/quote]
the tuning according to me was ok. and i mentioned it was IMHO. but im a human being, i can be wrong. and i was rude(and it wasnt intentional) and i apologize for that. im sorry :-)

OK.
Anyways,my suggestion was more with a personal preference bias.
End is what Gill picks.[/quote]

yes, if gill is happy, we are happy.

ill say it again, im sorry for being rude. i dont have anything personal against you. and it was un intentional bro. :-)

cheers
clip

panky12345 · 15th September 2007, 16:42

clip....after seeing such a fantastic teamwork, I really dont think Scary would take all this personally. Right scary?

Gill · 15th September 2007, 17:14

In the team, a constructive debate or difference of opinon most of the times genrates new ways and challenges,henceforth improvement!!!
Keep improving guys!!

low_bass_makker · 15th September 2007, 17:27

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Originally Posted by clipto333

are you saying your sub when played from 50 to 150Hzit works better and it is out of phase with the fronts?

When is the next time you are visiting delhi maybe we can dicuss it real time....

Ya you are correct, but what are you asking.

Bass&Trouble · 15th September 2007, 18:50

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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

When is the next time you are visiting delhi maybe we can dicuss it real time....

Meaning, you will analyze his problem real time? That makes you the world's first human real time analyzer!

The RTA-LBM!

ScarySkulls · 15th September 2007, 22:56

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Originally Posted by clipto333

rajat, i would suggest reading the specs before advising. no offence meant an srx2s can pump out 180w rms per channel at 13.8v and 135w at 12v 4ohms. it will be too much for the energy components which has a power handling of 100w rms. so i suggest not to buy it for the comps gill has.

none taken bro.
It's clear to me that you are right in your own way and me in mine.
I just now checked the website and it says the same specs like you said.

My reply was after checking the Audison catalogue I have.
It states SRX2S as 135Wx2 @4 ohm @13.8V

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Originally Posted by clipto333

ill say it again, im sorry for being rude. i dont have anything personal against you. and it was un intentional bro. :-)

cheers
clip

No Worries. For I now understand the reason behind the difference of opinion.

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Originally Posted by panky12345

clip....after seeing such a fantastic teamwork, I really dont think Scary would take all this personally. Right scary?

Righto, Panky dear

@Gill --> Wild Idea. But how about we find someone to sell the GTO75.4 to?
Then the cash for the 2 channel amp + proceeds of JBL sale + a little loan from GF = Audison SRX5 !!

sudhir_nyc · 16th September 2007, 02:03

It definitly must have been a great experience to install the entire system for your own car (or friend's)

I did install Amplifiers and Woofers in my Maruti 800 and Esteem. It is hard work but great fun and at the end of it is sweet sound and showing off.

Keep it up guys.

lancersfx · 16th September 2007, 07:39

The install is pretty impressive......End of the day you are satified cuz it is your own car and you are setting it up..So the moment the ICE is powered up there is an adrenaline rush and the output must certainly make you feel on cloud number nine..!!!!!!!!Contgrats on the neat setup........Me Still on the lookout for a dvd HU and a nice sub for my ikon 1.8D.......will be installing in about 2 months.........

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panky12345 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,697 Thanked: 172 Times	my dear friend LBM.... where were you for long? What is this RTA?
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Gill BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mohali Posts: 701 Thanked: 16 Times	what about these amps:- Kenwood 8103D Kenwood KAC X10D Any idea about the prices??
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panky12345 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,697 Thanked: 172 Times	clip....after seeing such a fantastic teamwork, I really dont think Scary would take all this personally. Right scary?
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Gill BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mohali Posts: 701 Thanked: 16 Times	In the team, a constructive debate or difference of opinon most of the times genrates new ways and challenges,henceforth improvement!!! Keep improving guys!! Last edited by Gill : 15th September 2007 at 17:22.
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sudhir_nyc BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 26 Thanked: 5 Times	It definitly must have been a great experience to install the entire system for your own car (or friend's) I did install Amplifiers and Woofers in my Maruti 800 and Esteem. It is hard work but great fun and at the end of it is sweet sound and showing off. Keep it up guys.
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16th September 2007, 07:39	#105
lancersfx BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 229 Thanked: 55 Times View My Garage	The install is pretty impressive......End of the day you are satified cuz it is your own car and you are setting it up..So the moment the ICE is powered up there is an adrenaline rush and the output must certainly make you feel on cloud number nine..!!!!!!!!Contgrats on the neat setup........Me Still on the lookout for a dvd HU and a nice sub for my ikon 1.8D.......will be installing in about 2 months.........
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