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Originally Posted by ramases6 ...
I have installed an infotainment system by Caska at about the same time.
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During installation, the stock wiring on the car was not disturbed. After functioning well for three months, I found that my car battery was drained and the vehicle needed to be jump started.The vehicle had not been driven for four or five days.
My limited understanding suggests that increasing the battery capacity to 43 AH may not be a problem. Not sure about the effect it would have on the alternator as it would take longer for the charge limiter to cut in. Could it cause the battery to overheat? And what is the implication and effect that the higher 543 amp current mentioned on the proposed battery? I understand warranty issues. Aside of that, is there merit or otherwise in considering upgrading the battery? I would like to continue using the Caska if there is likely to be no ill effects affecting safety of operation. The aim of the up gradation is only to reduce the downtime due battery drain when parked in the garage for periods up to one week or thereabouts. I have been given to understand that modern cars, even high end ones, drain the battery when not in regular use, that draining of the battery in two to three weeks is not a cause for concern nor indicative of a defective battery. |
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Originally Posted by ramases6 Jaggu,The battery drain out occurs between two and three three days of the car lying idle. That is with the Caska system installed. It takes slightly longer, 4 + with the OE system in place. This makes me suspect the battery. But the dealer checks say that is not the case. The dealer has mentioned that electrical problems would not be covered under the warranty with non standard fitments. At first he said that it voided the entire warranty but saw that it did not sound reasonable. All this is verbal only.
I agree with R2D2 that a precise understanding of what is causing the problem is necessary before proceeding further. That is precisely where I am stuck. And I have tried to do that unsuccessfully with both, the dealer as well as another agency that deals with car electrical systems. With the OE or with the after market system, the battery drains out. The rate of drain is a little different. |
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Originally Posted by ramases6 Maybe. I am looking for a way out. If some one in the know can answer if fitting a higher capacity 43 AH 543 amp battery would not be hazardous in any way, that would allow me to consider it. The standard battery option is always there if I am left with no other safe option.Voiding of the electrical warranty now is secondary to me when weighed against having a reliable car that is safe in spite of non standard fitments. And which gives me great joy driving, both within the city and outside of it. Thank you. |
First let me answer your main question: Will installing a higher rated battery be hazardous to the car? No. Installing a higher capacity rated battery is not hazardous to the car. Only if the voltage rating changes, it becomes hazardous. Higher capacity is no problem.
Having said that, assuming that the issue is not with the battery, and the issue is with the car, if a 36AH battery drains out in three days, the 43AH battery will drain out in 3.6 days. I have made some assumptions like the battery gets fully charged before you park the car, the charging system in the car is fine etc. So, changing the battery to 43AH is not going to solve your issue. You have to correctly identify what is causing the problem and fix it at the root.
As R2D2 has already pointed out, following are the three possibilities.
1. Battery is faulty and has a high self discharge.
2. There is an abnormal leakage in the system, either from the after market fitment or from one of the OE systems itself. As you have pointed
3. There is a problem with the charging circuit (alternator) because of which the battery is not getting charged when the car is driven.
As you have said the dealers have checked the battery and are saying the battery is fine, for now let us rule out #1.
The best way to rule out #2 is to measure the current discharge from the battery. You can either do a DIY and find out the current drain or take it to a good auto electrician and measure this. If you are fine with DIY, then all you need is a cheap digital multimeter that can measure DC current upto 10A or 20A. You should be able to get such a meter for Rs.500 in SP road, or even Amazon. Here is an example from Amazon.
Mastech Digital Multimeter
Once you have this meter, to measure current, disconnect the -ve terminal from the battery, put the multimeter in current measurement mode, connect the multimeter probes between the -ve terminal of the battery and the cable and measure current. The current should not be more than 50mA. If the current is high, then it means some part of the car is drawing current even when the car is locked. Here is a YouTube video that clearly demonstrates how to debug such an issue.
If you can do the current measurement at least as a DIY and confirm that the current draw is high, then you can take the help of a good car electrician to identify the circuit that is causing the drain by isolating fuses. Remember to lock the car when taking this measurement as the foot well lights and cabin lights get on when the car is unlocked.
There is also a non-invasive way to measure current using a clamp meter. The advantage of using a clamp meter is you do not have to disconnect any wires from the battery. But the meter costs about 3.5K. Here is an example of digital clamp meter that can measure DC current.
Meco 36 DC Clamp Meter
Here are a couple of pictures of the current drain from my Polo GT TSi battery which I measured with a digital clamp meter. Note the polarity of the numbers. A -ve number means the battery is discharging.
With the car locked, the current drain is 0.02A which is 20mA (it changes between 0.02 and 0.03).
With the car unlocked, and cabin and foot well lights on, the current draw is 2.53A.
If you find the current draw is less than 50mA, then either the battery is bad or the alternator circuit is bad. You can check the alternator circuit either by measuring the charging current while the car engine is turned on, or measure battery voltage. For measuring charging current though, a clamp meter will be needed as you will not be able to use a conventional multimeter. If a clamp meter is not available, then just use the regular multimeter and measure the battery voltage while the car is running. On an already fully charged battery, the voltage should be above 13V.
Here are a couple of pictures of the charging current from my car. Note the polarity of the number. A positive number means the battery is charging.
As soon as the engine is turned on, the charging current will be a little high.
And then depending on the level of charge in the battery, the current will come down after some time. This one is after a minute of turning on the car.
Good luck with the troubleshooting effort
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