[XRoader_001]

Most importantly it’s Bosch e-bike system highly efficient designed to give a particular range with specific battery pack & motor you choose.

In my case it’s 500 mAh battery with performance CX motor,which good for a minimum 90-100 Km of range in multiple modes.

Range will depend of multiple factors like weight of the rider,Tyre pressure,terrain,gear shifts,etc.Among these factors I feel tyre pressure & terrain play important role in overall range.

In my e-bike Bosch system the motor doesn’t assist beyond 25 Km/h as per regulations once your speed is above 25 Km/h the battery consumption & motor usage is minimal thus your range increases.

There are 3rd party tune hacks available to break the 25 Km/h limit,will be getting it once warranty period is over.

Currently my ebike is 100% charged and you can have a look range with respect to mode. But, this all is real-time more i stay above 25 Km/h range increases.


I am usually on Eco mode that’s why extract 100+ Km range most often even with tour or sports i can do it 100 plus Km.

Chain maintenance is similar to usual bikes nothing specific to e-bikes I usually use de-greaser & lubricate it with lube when it gets dirty.

[XRoader_001]

Originally Posted by proton

Hub motor ebikes are much cheaper than mid-drive models. Mid-range hub motor ebikes cost around $1000-$1500. To compare, similarly specced mid-drive ebikes cost around $2000-$3000. Premium mid-drive ebikes can cost as much as $5000-$8000. On average, a mid-drive ebike costs around $600-$1000 more than a comparable hub motor model.

So, aptly pointed mid drives e-bikes are costly but usually sell well in Europe, USA & UK as there are multiple options usually discounts are available.

Currently in India we have only Scott Sports India selling Bosch operated system that to basic Active line motor at cost of ₹ 2.49 lakh even with best of deals you land up paying anything around ₹ 1.90-1.80 lakh.

The experience of Bosch mid drive system with options of display & add-ons is just another level.

Hero Lectro offered India’s first mid drive ebike with Yamaha Lectro ehx20 cost was ₹ 1.30 had done a review of it at Hero Lectro manufacturing plant.

Link:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...74906949388371

Pedaleze Mid drive are good but again reliability is big issue.

[tsk1979]

Link to seatpost
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088N73YXM/

You do have to learn how to use an allen wrench and a screwdriver.

I did try the specialized bikes with bosch motors which have longer ranges, but the longer range is due to a reason. Lower power. I wanted a speed demon, and priority current was the only option unless I was willing to go to the super heavy monstor ebikes with giant batteries and 1000W+ Bafang motors

This motor is 500W peak, and 140nM as opposed to 70-90NM for Bosch power line (high power) motor. The Bosch powered bike I drove felt like level 3 on on the current. The acceleration and speed was not there. To hit 25mph I had to really really try hard. Sure it required hard pedaling in 5th gear on PC too, but the effort on the bosch bike was far more. Even 20mph sustained felt tiring.

If I had a longer commute, then I will probably go with a range extender. But level 2 which is a decent level of assist gives 40+ miles of range and works for me.

That said, I am guessing if Bosch had a similar power, it would still be 10% more efficient because of 9 speed or 11 speed drivetrains. The internal hubs are 5 speed and have shorter gearing in top gear.

Maybe I will upgrade to a larger crank sometime as I feel cadence is too high when hitting 25mph

[mobike008]

Originally Posted by proton

Pricing
Hub motor ebikes are much cheaper than mid-drive models. Mid-range hub motor ebikes cost around $1000-$1500. To compare, similarly specced mid-drive ebikes cost around $2000-$3000. Premium mid-drive ebikes can cost as much as $5000-$8000. On average, a mid-drive ebike costs around $600-$1000 more than a comparable hub motor model.

Good to know this information. I am relatively new to biking and learning as I move on. What is the most expensive Mid-Drive bike available in India?

Originally Posted by XRoader_001

In my e-bike Bosch system the motor doesn’t assist beyond 25 Km/h as per regulations once your speed is above 25 Km/h the battery consumption & motor usage is minimal thus your range increases.

Chain maintenance is similar to usual bikes nothing specific to e-bikes i usually use degreaser & lubricate it with lube when it gets dirty.

Got it. So your e-bike has a 16mph (25kmph) top speed. If it's unlocked through hack how much speed will it go up?

Do you hit 25kmph without assist or with?

Originally Posted by XRoader_001

The experience of Bosch mid drive system with options of display & add ons is just another level.

Nice to know this. Do you know the Priority Current comes with 140NM torque which is insane level and not found in any bikes (I think so) in the market as Bosch highest torque rating in any bike is at 85NM.

[XRoader_001]

Originally Posted by mobike008

Good to know this information. I am relatively new to biking and learning as I move on. What is the most expensive Mid-Drive bike available in India?

Mid drive ebikes options in india are very limited currently only,Pedaleze & Scott-Bergamont offer e-bikes in their portfolio.

Hero Lectro used to sell Lectro Ehx20. Infact it was First Mid drive ebike to be launched in India it came with Yamaha motor we don’t have it now its price was around ₹ 1.35 lakh.

Scott-Bergamont offer one or two e-bikes every year for 2022-23 this year they have Scott SubCross eRide 30 with basic active line Bosch motor, Battery 400 mah, Shimano Alivio & Purion display cost ₹ 2.49 lakh once a deal can be made you can get it around 2.10-2 lakh.

In 2020 when I got my Scott SubCross eride 10 which had Bosch performance line Cx motor, 500 mAh battery was being offered at ₹ 2.26 lakh but I eventually got the deal locked around ₹ 1.90 lakh which was around similar price as in Europe, UK or USA for a similar spec ebike.

Yes, I do know about priority ebike torque figures. Most Bosch, Brose, Yamaha motors are around 80-90 Nm. I guess its more about efficiency, durability plus reliability in long run for majority ebike buyers.

I usually reach 25 km/h with more effort 27-29 km/h occasionally but does takes effort, my usual target when on ride is to be around 25 Km/h. Sometimes on Turbo mode & eMtb mode with efforts touching 30 Km/h due to momentum is achievable but consistently achieving such speeds takes effort.

With tuning devices like Speedbox, etc. it can be unlocked to 50 km/h this is on my list once warranty is over.

[mobike008]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

I did try the specialized bikes with bosch motors which have longer ranges, but the longer range is due to a reason. Lower power. I wanted a speed demon, and priority current was the only option unless I was willing to go to the super heavy monstor ebikes with giant batteries and 1000W+ Bafang motors

This motor is 500W peak, and 140nM as opposed to 70-90NM for Bosch power line (high power) motor. The Bosch powered bike I drove felt like level 3 on on the current. The acceleration and speed was not there. To hit 25mph I had to really really try hard. Sure it required hard pedaling in 5th gear on PC too, but the effort on the bosch bike was far more. Even 20mph sustained felt tiring.

If I had a longer commute, then I will probably go with a range extender. But level 2 which is a decent level of assist gives 40+ miles of range and works for me.

That said, I am guessing if Bosch had a similar power, it would still be 10% more efficient because of 9 speed or 11 speed drivetrains. The internal hubs are 5 speed and have shorter gearing in top gear.

Maybe I will upgrade to a larger crank sometime as I feel cadence is too high when hitting 25mph

Nice to know this feedback Tanveer. I test rode a couple of REI branded e-bikes in their store here in Seattle before placing an order for Priority Current.

They felt so basic and were rear hub motor and chain drives and were priced at $2400 (after discount). Compared to them, PC feels like a monster and build quality is superb.

Originally Posted by XRoader_001

Mid drive ebikes options in india are very limited currently only,Pedaleze & Scott-Bergamont offer e-bikes in their portfolio.


Scott-Bergamont offer one or two e-bikes every year for 2022-23 this year they have Scott SubCross eRide 30 with basic active line Bosch motor, Battery 400 mah, Shimano Alivio & Purion display cost ₹ 2.49 lakh once a deal can be made you can get it around 2.10-2 lakh.

In 2020 when I got my Scott SubCross eride 10 which had Bosch performance line Cx motor, 500 mAh battery was being offered at ₹ 2.26 lakh but I eventually got the deal locked around ₹ 1.90 lakh which was around similar price as in Europe, UK or USA for a similar spec ebike.

Yes, I do know about priority ebike torque figures. Most Bosch, Brose, Yamaha motors are around 80-90 Nm. I guess its more about efficiency, durability plus reliability in long run for majority ebike buyers.

I usually reach 25 km/h with more effort 27-29 km/h occasionally but does takes effort, my usual target when on ride is to be around 25 Km/h. Sometimes on Turbo mode & eMtb mode with efforts touching 30 Km/h due to momentum is achievable but consistently achieving such speeds takes effort.

With tuning devices like Speedbox, etc. it can be unlocked to 50 km/h this is on my list once warranty is over.

2 Lakhs for a e-bike sounds pretty steep in India. But, for bike lovers if they see value I don’t think they won’t mind splurging on it.

Priority Current is just a 1-1.5 year old bike (from release perspective ) and you rightly said the durability and logetivity of this powerful motor remains to be seen. If this bike lasts even for 10,000 miles, the money pays off.

Typically, the tires of e-bikes last for how long?

7-Days Update

I was riding the bike until a couple of days with 12.5 PSI (Front) and 17.5 PSI (Rear). Can you believe it?

I knew the air was less but, not by this much. I checked the pressure and bumped it up to 40 and 45 PSI. Now the bike literally flies and is really fast. And, that turn problem was because of low air pressure. I can take turns better with correct air pressure.

Tanveer- I have noticed a small issue after increasing to 40PSI in front. There is a slight noise from back fender of front tire as if the tyre is scraping the fender when I am riding. This noise was not there before. Could it be because of the inflated tyre scraping the fender?

Btw, guys I am happy to share that I am obsessed with Priority Current and I hit my personal target in 7- days.

100 Miles (160 kms) in 7-days



Well, actually I closed 7-days at 105 miles

[GutsyGibbon]

Originally Posted by mobike008

I was riding the bike until a couple of days with 12.5 PSI (Front) and 17.5 PSI (Rear). Can you believe it?

I knew the air was less but, not by this much. I checked the pressure and bumped it up to 40 and 45 PSI. Now the bike literally flies and is really fast. And, that turn problem was because of low air pressure. I can take turns better with correct air pressure.

Bicycle tires lose couple psi per day. The tire wears much faster as you lose tire pressure. Carry a portable frame mounted pump so that you can add air mid ride. You would also be losing energy trying to move a bike with lower pressure. Look at it this way, at full pressure the contact patch would be the size of two fingers, with less pressure it would be twice that, twice the friction, possibly twice the energy needs. It is also a good idea to have a tire repair kit, and practice patching at home once before attempting this on the road side. Patch kit (with pump) is a must have. You dont want to interrupt your wife, and ask her to pick you up at an odd time, some 25 miles away.

In the interest of reducing weight, they make scrappy fenders. If you are not riding in the rain, get rid of the fenders. Else, slap it left and right to make sure it is not touching at home by doing a spin test. Fender touching the tire will cause wear. The side wall would be very thin, and can explode while riding.

Make it a habit to check the health of the tires before every ride. I have an electric scooter Xiaomi Mi365, the tire exploded mid ride, and almost threw me into traffic. I have hard tires now, bumpy ride but a safe ride.

[mobike008]

[quote=GutsyGibbon;5393170]Bicycle tires lose couple psi per day. The tire wears much faster as you lose tire pressure. Carry a portable frame mounted pump so that you can add air mid ride. You would also be losing energy trying to move a bike with lower pressure. Look at it this way, at full pressure the contact patch would be the size of two fingers, with less pressure it would be twice that, twice the friction, possibly twice the energy needs. It is also a good idea to have a tire repair kit, and practice patching at home once before attempting this on the road side. Patch kit (with pump) is a must have. /QUOTE]

Sounds good but, only if the bike is used for commuting. Here my case is different, I use my e-bike ONLY for leisure and exercise. But, checking air pressure regularly is something I plan to do often now. Check the amazing device that I bought (video in post). Suggested by Tanveer and its really awesome. Portable, USB chargeable and inflates reasonably fast.

Originally Posted by GutsyGibbon

You don’t want to interrupt your wife, and ask her to pick you up at an odd time, some 25 miles away.

This happened once already but, when I was riding a regular bicycle a couple of months ago.

Made a mistake of going for a ride in peak afternoon and after 5 miles of ride, I was exhausted almost fell down due to heat as UV Index was 8 and temp was around 85.

I asked my wife to pick me up as I was 5-miles away from home.

Never again I will ride if UV index is above 5 or 6.

[quote=GutsyGibbon;5393170] In the interest of reducing weight, they make scrappy fenders. If you are not riding in the rain, get rid of the fenders. Else, slap it left and right to make sure it is not touching at home by doing a spin test. Fender touching the tire will cause wear. The side wall would be very thin, and can explode while riding./QUOTE]

This is a good idea. But, here in Seattle the rains are through most of the year. It will be a light drizzle and rarely heavy. But, I will think of removing the fender.

Originally Posted by GutsyGibbon

Make it a habit to check the health of the tires before every ride. I have an electric scooter Xiaomi Mi365, the tire exploded mid ride, and almost threw me into traffic. I have hard tires now, bumpy ride but a safe ride.

Wow. Sounds crazy. Glad you are ok!

New Tyre Inflator that I bought for $75 and works for Bikes, Cars, Tents, Inflatable boats etc. (Need to buy a boat and tent to make full use of it.)

https://youtu.be/G_OnARW39eA

[amitoj]

That looks like a great ride! Congratulations.
I love the fact that the advent of e-bikes has encouraged more people to get on two wheels and enjoy the great outdoors!
Although, for fitness, I would still go with what the cycling legend Eddy Merckx said. "Don't buy upgrades. Ride up grades"
(Disregard the fact that I say this after buying my third bike )
Would be interesting to see your calorie output with your older bike vs this one.

[mobike008]

Originally Posted by amitoj

That looks like a great ride! Congratulations.

Thanks Amitoj!!

Originally Posted by amitoj

I love the fact that the advent of e-bikes has encouraged more people to get on two wheels and enjoy the great outdoors!
Although, for fitness, I would still go with what the cycling legend Eddy Merckx said. "Don't buy upgrades. Ride up grades"
(Disregard the fact that I say this after buying my third bike.

We only know of Lance Armstrong but, Eddy is the greatest cyclist on planet. LOL! I agree on what Eddy has to say but, I just started this journey and it will take a couple of years to not buy upgrades and just ride the grades.

Congrats on your new Cannon!

Originally Posted by amitoj

Would be interesting to see your calorie output with your older bike vs this one.

Well, with the normal bike, I was not even riding regularly. But, with Priority Current coming into my life. I look forward to a ride every single day and clocking 100 miles a week.

Here is a snapshot of the calorie output with PC. I never tracked with other bike as it was not even worth it.

Not too bad for a week's worth of effort. eh?



In other news, I got a new helmet and riding gloves. Helmet is comfy and has a visor which is very helpful as it really cuts out the harsh sun. Also, it comes with an integrated light at the back with 3- modes (Fast Blink, Slow Blink and Steady) which is important for safety as I ride on trails and some areas get really dark due to dense forest.

Gloves make a helluva difference. When I was riding without them, my palm would get chafed and with these, my palms are protected and also has a better grip on bar.

Here are some pics of new helmet, gloves and with me trying them out.

[mobike008]

Update- 200 Miles in 12 days

I have completed 200 miles (320 kms) in flat 12 days. That is 16.66 miles of average per day.



As you can tell, I am totally enjoying riding the Priority Current and can’t wait to take it out for my next ride.

I send a bunch of basic queries to Priority and as always they reply instantly. Even on a Sunday and went through back and forth on emails on these queries and each time the response is instantaneous.

I have never seen any company respond as fast as Priority till date in my life. They literally reply to Emails/WhatsApp chat in less than 10 minutes. This is astounding customer service.

Summarized below the key points related to the bike for future reference and info to anyone who is interested to purchase this bicycle which I highly
recommend.

1. Battery range is disappointing. I am getting 25 miles-30 miles per full charge depending on assist that I use. When I brought up this point, they mentioned bring
it back to Class 1 (20mph) to improve the battery range.

2, Priority Current uses LG Cells for their battery which have a cycle of about 700 full charges. That means fully dead to fully charged, which a majority of the time
you shouldn't need to do.

3. Tire life is hard to gauge and is normally a good practice to change every year to every other year depending on how often you ride. Tires would usually give
about 1000-2000 miles depending on the conditions and as long as no severe punctures like nails/screws other large debris don't tear the rubber.

4. Priority Current tires are rated for a max PSI of 45 but recommendation is to stick between 35-40 in both as the ride becomes less harsh and impacts from bumps
are more cushioned on the spokes.

5. You can mount any modern saddle to the seat-post. In the event I want to change the seat-post for something like a suspension seat-post the measurement is
31.6mm

6. Changing brake pads and tires are biggest part of maintenance. Brake pads can be ridden up to 1.5mm thickness and usually will last around 2,500-3000 miles
and we can change 3 times the brake pads per rotor.They cost ~ $30 per Brake Pad.

7. Simple washing including using a garden HOSE is fine. It should never be pressure washed.

8. Labor for service at any reputable bike shop is typically $100/hour. For example a flat fix usually takes 15 minutes and shop will charge $25 to fix a flat

[amol4184]

Originally Posted by mobike008

6. Changing brake pads and tires are biggest part of maintenance. Brake pads can be ridden up to 1.5mm thickness and usually will last around 2,500-3000 miles
and we can change 3 times the brake pads per rotor.They cost ~ $30 per Brake Pad.

8. Labor for service at any reputable bike shop is typically $100/hour. For example a flat fix usually takes 15 minutes and shop will charge $25 to fix a flat

While the brake pads are not much of an expense and you can change them at home, bigger pain point is brake bleeding (if those are hydraulic discs). On my Giant Revolt I bled the brakes about 6 times and still not good. Also changed the pads to minimal improvement.

The labor charges are criminal here. Some car and motorcycle shops are cheaper than bicycle shops. Labor charges at Triumph were $80. Labor charges at Center cycle are $120. Ridiculous. I do not think these e bikes need much maintenance and smaller things you can just fix at home watching YouTube.

Originally Posted by mobike008

3. Seat isn’t comfortable. Need to find solutions to make it comfortable for longer rides

Try some narrower seats too - they look uncomfortable at first but I have found out that narrow, racy seats are actually better for your bum. Narrow, harder seat on my Cannondale is comfortable than the gel seat on my gravel bike, surprising but true.

[mobike008]

Originally Posted by amol4184

While the brake pads are not much of an expense and you can change them at home, bigger pain point is brake bleeding (if those are hydraulic discs). On my Giant Revolt I bled the brakes about 6 times and still not good. Also changed the pads to minimal improvement.

The labor charges are criminal here. Some car and motorcycle shops are cheaper than bicycle shops. Labor charges at Triumph were $80. Labor charges at Center cycle are $120. Ridiculous. I do not think these e bikes need much maintenance and smaller things you can just fix at home watching YouTube.

These cycle brakes are not great to stop in an emergency. I am doing 28mph (45kmph) speeds and it’s really fast for a bike. And, Since I ride only on a trail, I am comfortable with the brakes as I plan my stops by using brakes as well as downshifting the gears.

There are multiple crossings in the trail where I pass road traffic (some are inner roads and some are major intersections with stop lights) to get to other side of trail. A few times, I had a close call as I rushed through the crossing without waiting for “hand” sign to turn to “walk”

I read your other post on riding on streets. I will NEVER do that. Just don’t have the confidence of riding on open roads as the traffic in US is very fast and we don’t stand a chance even if a vehicle brushes us while riding.

Will only ride on TRAILS and thankfully, have one 100 feet away from home.

Originally Posted by amol4184

Try some narrower seats too - they look uncomfortable at first but I have found out that narrow, racy seats are actually better for your bum. Narrow, harder seat on my Cannondale is comfortable than the gel seat on my gravel bike, surprising but true.

You know what. I am slowly finding the seats comfortable (still not fully comfy) but, my resting time/miles is slowly but, increasing reducing. I used to stop after every mile before and have gradually improved and I take breaks after every 3-4 miles now as my bum hurts less.

Is the seat breaking in? Or my bum is getting used to it? LOL!

In other news, I completed 300 miles of riding in 3- weeks.



I never thought that I can keep up with my initial target of 100 miles/ week which is actually pretty intense for me as I have a bit of body pain with thighs and feet becoming a bit sore.

I am planning to keep a reasonable target of 70 miles (10 Miles per Day) target per week. Please share if these many miles per week is enough for weight loss and continue my fitness journey? Note : I don’t do any other form of exercise other than riding this bike.

Some more recent pictures from the trail. Fall is around the corner. Can’t wait for the leaves to turn red.

[amol4184]

You are doing great. Those are a lot of miles in a short time. Don’t stretch, take it easy. After a while your legs will not complain much and you can ride even further.

[mobike008]

Originally Posted by amol4184

You are doing great. Those are a lot of miles in a short time. Don’t stretch, take it easy. After a while your legs will not complain much and you can ride even further.

Thanks Amol. It gets indeed tiring but, the fun of riding bikes (Bicycles) reminds me of my motorcycling days in India. I am also riding more because of the trail behind home.

I need to take some tips from you how to ride in "rain". Will save it for when we meet next !

500 Miles (860 Kms) in 35-days- A Brief Report

It’s been already a month? Wow! It feels like I got this bike just yesterday. I am really enjoying riding this bike thoroughly as you can tell from my 1-month update and feedback about the bike and my experience with it.

In a little over a month (35 days to be precise), I have completed 500 miles (800kms) which averages to ~ 15 miles per day (Well, there have been a few days when I could not ride at all) and on weekends have done more than 20 miles per rides as well.

Below is my feedback on Priority Current after a month

Good Stuff

1. Smooth and Wonderful to ride
2. Brakes have bedded in nicely and I get more confidence now compared to initial feedback
3. Seat feels reasonably comfortable as I got used to it now. I stand up for a few seconds every 2-3 miles and now I can ride without stopping for 6 miles at a stretch
4. Bike charging is pretty fast. It charges from 0% to 100% in 3-hours flat
[b]

Bad Stuff

1. Battery life is disappointing to say the least. It won’t last beyond 30 miles per charge even if I squeeze the life 
out of it by using zero pedal assist for a substantial amount of miles in a charge. The maximum I got out of it 
was 41 miles.

My typical rides are in this fashion :

First 5-6 Miles : 0 assist which means its like a normal bicycle

Then I bump up the assist to 1 or 2 for next 10 miles till I finish my ride. 3 and 4 for a short distance only if elevation is tough.

I never use 5 (as it’s too fast and beats the purpose of riding a bicycle)

In short, I am hooked to biking- here folks refer it to as biking as Motorcycles are referred to as Motorcycling) as it reminds me of my motorcycling days- same feeling of liberation, wind hitting my face, being amidst nature. Gosh! This feeling is indescribable.

Now time for some pictures and videos from the recent past.

500 Miles Completion-



Shot yesterday. Fall is already in bloom on the trail





Plenty of cute road crossings across the 15-20 miles of trail that I ride



Sometimes I extend my evening ride into night. The lights are super powerful and giving me a feeling of a motorcycle.





























Here are some videos that give you a sense of the trail which I am so much in love with.

https://youtu.be/JI46zuWr_us

On the trail at Dusk. Lights are so powerful feels like riding a motorcycle. These are ambient light and switch on and off depending on natural light

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ci_5hihwr6E?feature=share

Start of trailhead near home. The community behind in video is our home. As you can tell it's that close to the trail. Hence, 500 miles came up so fast. Haha!

https://youtu.be/LaYAluTGF1I