Team-BHP - The Bicycles thread

So continuing my search for a Carbon bike, I looked into Cannondale SuperSix and Specialized Tarmac models, but they are very expensive in the used market here in Germany, well over 1000 Euros.

Found this Scott Foil, I assume this is the Foil 15 model, 2015 would be the year I believe. Frame size is 50 cm which should fit me (170 cm). Seller claims a weight of 7.1 Kg. Frame, fork, seat post, and stem are carbon, which makes me think there's more room for weight loss.

Seller is asking for 800 Euros. Please let me know your opinion. Also, I usually ride size 52 bikes, my CAAD5 is 54, but for these "race" bikes the guides I'm seeing online suggest size 50. Is that normal for race geometry bikes to run larger than endurance frame sizes? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by RiderZone (Post 5860474)

Found this Scott Foil, I assume this is the Foil 15 model, 2015 would be the year I believe. Frame size is 50 cm which should fit me (170 cm). Seller claims a weight of 7.1 Kg. Frame, fork, seat post, and stem are carbon, which makes me think there's more room for weight loss.

Seller is asking for 800 Euros. Please let me know your opinion. Also, I usually ride size 52 bikes, my CAAD5 is 54, but for these "race" bikes the guides I'm seeing online suggest size 50. Is that normal for race geometry bikes to run larger than endurance frame sizes? Thanks!

That is a sweet bike. Scott by all means makes good bikes. I have no personal experience with the brand but I can tell you a few things about aero bikes which this one is.

One look at it and you can tell this is one serious bike. Very purpose built and that purpose being to go fast in straight line on a flat surface. It is not trying to be comfortable, all-purpose, beginner friendly or light. It doesn't need to. Aero bikes are inherently weighty and not a good platform for weight weeny build if that's what you are going for. The first thing I will do is to put a 50mm or deeper wheelset on it.

That particular bike is Scott Foil 20 from year 2013. I did a quick search on this model and found that Scott didn't make size 50 in 2013-16 period. They made a 47, 49 and 52.
If this is indeed a 49, it is going to be (very) cramped for you considering you ride a 54 CAAD. If there are doubts, personally go and measure the tubing on the frame.
To tell you the truth just by eyeballing, it does NOT look like a small 49/50 sized bike but a bigger 52/54. Is there no sticker on it? 7.1kg is suspiciously light for an aero bike with mid range alloy wheels and Ultegra.

Generally the sizing guides that manufacturers put out are fairly spot on unless you are someone who has abnormally long arms, short legs and long torso or other combinations of those limbs. If not, just stick to what Scott says. I ride 56/57/58 in every bike regardless of the type with some minor adjustments to stem sizes.

The pricing is hard to nail down. All depends on your market and how many of the similar spec'd bikes are available right now around you. Do some research with bikes that have full 11 speed Ultegra R6800 and carbon frame. Since you are in Europe which is traditionally a better place for bike business, I would assume to have lower prices compared to anywhere else in the world. Shimano groupsets are also cheaper in Europe. Do make sure that it is indeed 11 speed 6800 and not 10 speed 6700.

On the cheaper side but still good, look for Fuji SL series of bikes. My 2017 Fuji SL 2.3 with 105 R7000 and somewhat heavy Reynolds wheels still weighed 7.4 kg. It was a pleasure to ride. A simple swap to higher end group and wheels would have brought it down to UCI limit.

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Originally Posted by drive_angry (Post 5860237)

Mine is 54.

Could I ask how tall you are and inseam please? Help with my size confusion perhaps :)

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Originally Posted by amol4184 (Post 5860532)

That particular bike is Scott Foil 20 from year 2013. I did a quick search on this model and found that Scott didn't make size 50 in 2013-16 period. They made a 47, 49 and 52.

If this is indeed a 49, it is going to be (very) cramped for you considering you ride a 54 CAAD. If there are doubts, personally go and measure the tubing on the frame.

To tell you the truth just by eyeballing, it does NOT look like a small 49/50 sized bike but a bigger 52/54. Is there no sticker on it? 7.1kg is suspiciously light for an aero bike with mid range alloy wheels and Ultegra.

On the cheaper side but still good, look for Fuji SL series of bikes. My 2017 Fuji SL 2.3 with 105 R7000 and somewhat heavy Reynolds wheels still weighed 7.4 kg. It was a pleasure to ride. A simple swap to higher end group and wheels would have brought it down to UCI limit.

Thanks! I'll go check it out, then I can measure it and more importantly ride it. There are no visible stickers in the pictures the seller provided that specify the model number, and it's a couple hours away from me. I was also surprised by the 7.1 kg weight.

I'll check out the Fuji options available.

Found this Specialized Tarmac SL4 Pro for 900, as far as I understand this model ran from 2011 to 2015 but the listing does not specify what year this is. It has Di2 surprisingly. It's a size 54 however, so I will need to ride it to know if it fits, per the Specialized website I'm right at the edge of 52 and 54.

My CAAD 10 rebuild is 90% done give or take. The stem is light but an eyesore. Tried to scrape off the branding but it won't come off easily. On another stem I managed to strip logos effortlessly with a little paint thinner and scrubbing pad, not sure what's up with this one. I also wonder if a steeper angle stem would look better, this one is 6 degrees. The fork steerer has to be cut too.

This is (was) a low end CAAD 10 model from 2014 with 10 speed SRAM Rival groupset and terrible Cannondale in-house alloy wheels. Stock build was close to 8.8 kg ~.

After the "work" its down to 7.34 with bottle cages, GPS and Varia mount, top tube bag and MTB style pedals that are 330 grams on their own. Targeting a bare weight of 6.8kg. Let's see.