[manveet]

Originally Posted by maheep007

Yes, I too have the same question for you Buddy. Very safely without altering the engineering or safety, instead of stock tires, if I upgrade, would 245 70 r16 be ok ? And if I put in at tires instead of ht, how significant difference would be in ride quality and noise.

I am extremely confident when I say, 265/65/16 AT is the BEST upgrade for this vehicle keeping safety and engineering in mind. This is what the Thar should have come with from factory. Anything else is a compromise. Period.

[maheep007]

Originally Posted by manveet

I am extremely confident when I say, 265/65/16 AT is the BEST upgrade for this vehicle keeping safety and engineering in mind. This is what the Thar should have come with from factory. Anything else is a compromise. Period.

What about noise of the wider tires plus at instead of ht. What about touching body during jump or full load. What about mud. Lastly how's speed and acceleration affected. and suspension.
Isn't 235 70 r 16 AT or 245 70 r16 better option, keeping in mind company must have done proper R & D in selecting the best tire for this vehicle ?

[manveet]

Originally Posted by maheep007

What about noise of the wider tires plus at instead of ht. What about touching body during jump or full load. What about mud. Lastly how's speed and acceleration affected. and suspension.
Isn't 235 70 r 16 AT or 245 70 r16 better option, keeping in mind company must have done proper R & D in selecting the best tire for this vehicle ?

You asked and hence I shared my opinion. All that you have asked has been covered extensively in the past - on this thread and on others.

However, I am open to discussing wider tire noise with you when your Thar is silently flying through the air after taking off from speed-breakers due to its narrow tires and rear leaf-springs. And about how wider tires affect speed and acceleration in the time that you have when your Thar is leisurely de-accelerating due to the shoddy brakes (they may have improved this in the new Thar not sure) and HT tires.

[maheep007]

I could not find all this info here, hence asked you. Maybe I did not look hard enough, thank you any way

[Jaggu]

Tyre choice i would say would be entirely based on usage pattern and intended use. AT tyres spoil the ride and handling, so if it is occasional mild offroad stick to HT, they will work well.

As far as size goes, if you upgrade you would need different offset rims also, or the front tires will touch (inside wall touches balance rod) during full locks.

[maheep007]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Tyre choice i would say would be entirely based on usage pattern and intended use. AT tyres spoil the ride and handling, so if it is occasional mild offroad stick to HT, they will work well.

As far as size goes, if you upgrade you would need different offset rims also, or the front tires will touch (inside wall touches balance rod) during full locks.

AT purpose is purely for asthetics, if there's quite a difference between ride handling n noise, I'll stick to ht. But I used to think it's the MT that's bad, AT was ok for highway and mild offroad both.
I'll stick to 16" rims just a size up in width, 245 70 r16 . Think it might work?
Thank you for your time and patience

[maheep007]

As Manveet says, 265 65 r16 AT are best. Are they not little over kill? Just a thought...

[navpreet318]

Who cares if its an Over kill. I have in my experience used 265 as well as 285 tires and have gone back to 235 also.

This discussion is like using underbody protection in your SUV to go to Ladakh when Altos and civics are doing the same.

Do whatever your feel like and be happy!!

Cheers!!

[maheep007]

Originally Posted by navpreet318

Who cares if its an Over kill. I have in my experience used 265 as well as 285 tires and have gone back to 235 also.

This discussion is like using underbody protection in your SUV to go to Ladakh when Altos and civics are doing the same.

Do whatever your feel like and be happy!!

Hello Navpreet. I said it in keeping in mind the over all dynamics, altering tires alters other aspects too which affect ride handling and over all vehicle behaviour, so unless you plan to use the vehicle soley for a geri purpose, going too much over is bad for suspension and affects on road behavior. Keeping in mind all that I asked a safe upgrade.
To each his own, you can shoot up too 300 too if you want, but my question is purely keeping in mind its best performance
Cheers n Regards.

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by maheep007

AT purpose is purely for asthetics, if there's quite a difference between ride handling n noise, I'll stick to ht. But I used to think it's the MT that's bad, AT was ok for highway and mild offroad both.
I'll stick to 16" rims just a size up in width, 245 70 r16 . Think it might work?
Thank you for your time and patience

HT will be best ride, AT will be slightly more stiff, MT will be hard. So if you want best ride go with HT.

Also it is not the 16" that is an issue, its the offset of the rims. Both 255/55 and 245/75 in 16" and stock rims had issue. If you are upsizing ensure you go for offset rims.

[maheep007]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

HT will be best ride, AT will be slightly more stiff, MT will be hard. So if you want best ride go with HT.

Also it is not the 16" that is an issue, its the offset of the rims. Both 255/55 and 245/75 in 16" and stock rims had issue. If you are upsizing ensure you go for offset rims.

Thank you very much Jaggu, precise and up to the point reply. Really appreciate it. I was talking about 245/70 not 75. Anyway I think I'd rather stick to company recommended 235 70 r16 either in ht or at. Don't want to do any mods that affect n screw up all the brain work put up by Behram Ji
Your quick revert highly appreciated,
Warm regards

[joybhowmik]

IMHO if the debate is about noise, ride, fuel efficiency - yada yada yada=> then we are debating in the wrong thread.

This thread is about a 4x4 - which is meant to go to places.

Places where the very refined cars with the super slick shoes will struggle to go to.

In such places every fractional newton of grip force suddenly becomes more important than noise or even ride quality. Sometimes (as I have found out) it's a life or death issue.

For other places (such as home/office commute) use a cruiser - or better take the metro - zero noise.

Fundamentally - it's about knowing what exactly the cars were designed to do best. Despite the best intentions of Designers; many a time "Marketing & Production" overrule the choices so that these babies SELL in the mass market. It's about bringing cost down.

Some of us can see through that bit, and decide. Others don't - and decide to stick to the brochure. Both are right. For the first type - they are clear about the use case. For the second type - they don't have any use-case - so stick to a general solution.

Is a little bit of noise more important than the ability to come back to safer ground? It depends on whether you want to go to such places in the first place or not. If not, then why even talk of tyres? There is no need of a debate.

It's your call - after all it's your money, your car, and above all - your life (style)

[manveet]

Originally Posted by maheep007

Don't want to do any mods that affect n screw up all the brain work put up by Behram Ji

If the Thar was launched as per the brain work put by Behram ji, it would have been significantly different in some aspects of form and function, than what was eventually launched.

The Marketing dept., CMVR, etc. put a lot of constraints on the product that went on sale. These don't apply after you buy the vehicle.

[DHABHAR.BEHRAM]

Originally Posted by manveet

If the Thar was launched as per the brain work put by Behramji, it would have been significantly different in some aspects of form and function, than what was eventually launched. The Marketing dept., CMVR, etc. put a lot of constraints on the product that went on sale. These don't apply after you buy the vehicle.

Dear Manveet Paaji - hello after a very long time, and by the way, .

Thank your lucky stars that it got done 5 years back, today even this much will not be possible, so by the way, !

ENJOY!

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

[manveet]

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Manveet Paaji - hello after a very long time, and by the way, .

Thank your lucky stars that it got done 5 years back, today even this much will not be possible, so by the way, !

ENJOY!

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

And by the way, I sold the Thar, after EXACTLY 3 years of ownership, not a day more or less. Will put up a closure mail summarizing my experience in a few days.