[1100D]

Originally Posted by Parm

I'm glad BD sir is working on the Sumo

Are you sure about that? Has he confirmed? Or we are going too far ahead interpreting the single "smiley".

[discoverwild]

Originally Posted by directinjection

One improvement that I'd like to see in Sumo is larger doors with reduced area between C and D pillars. Also, the door handles should be pull back type rather than pull up type. To make Sumo 4X4 seriously powerful, TM should also offer (as an option) the new generation 3 litre 16 valve 138 BHP Dicor engine developed for the Ultra range.

I don't think body mods would be required, as it would end up escalating costs. I am 6'2" and have had a Sumo for 1.65L kms. Don't remember ever having issues with ingress or egress. Can't say that about the Bolero though. The NA engine that we had was the 1947cc with 68BHP and it was enough for the highway. Decent mileage too. The uptuned version of the 3.0L produces 115BHP, which I think would be more than enough. I have heard that the 3.0L can actually produce up to 150BHP! But then our country's adage 'Kitna dethi hai' would go for a toss, isn't it?

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by discoverwild

I don't think body mods would be required, as it would end up escalating costs. I am 6'2" and have had a Sumo for 1.65L kms. Don't remember ever having issues with ingress or egress.

In the higher end versions of Gold, the rear seat is shifted to the rear to provide more legroom and there is a visible mismatch between the rear door opening and rear seat. A larger door would resolve the issue.

Originally Posted by discoverwild

The NA engine that we had was the 1947cc with 68BHP

It's 1948 CC actually.

Originally Posted by discoverwild

The uptuned version of the 3.0L produces 115BHP, which I think would be more than enough.

The 115 HP version is BS-III compliant only. To make it BS-IV compliant, they had to sacrifise power, due to design limitations. BS-IV version develops 85 HP.

[Parm]

Why TATA is selling Two Sumo and Two Safari models side by side and still not setting the sales charts on fire?

I would prefer the Old boxy Sumo over the Grande, but with Grande's (Safari Dicor engine).

[koushik]

Originally Posted by Shubhendra

They are Maxxis MudZilla 31x11x15

Great detail you have furnished. This would mean that 15 inches wheel rim will be continued. But the tyre diameter of 27.7 inches (of Sumo gold ) will be increased to 31 inches for Sumo 4X4

[rkg]

Sumo should get all round cladding like Safari, different bumper design and some cosmetic changes.
change it like Zest/Bolt and rename it & release in basic version to top end both in 4x2 and 4x4

[koushik]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Wanna make a bet on it
Seriously. I very much doubt Tata is interested in this vehicle. They just wanted some mean looking show cars.
The Tata focus is currently on the sedan/hatch.
In the SUV pipeling, Mahindra has Ssangyong, so it can show some concepts and pipeline vehicles.
So whats in Tata pipeline in SUV space?
Lets see.
Aria Successor... NADA
Storme ... 2 year old wine, so NADA

So what can Tata do? Just showcase old stuff, or slap on some body modifications.
This is what they chose. Bring the footfalls.
Tata is not the only one.

Toyota has nothing in small SUV space. So they put a cycle on Etios and called it SUV.
Fiat has nothing , they put a cycle and called Punto a SUV
Tata has nothing new, so put on some blue tints on Storme with funky lights and tires, and put some cladding on their Sumo and fit in auto locking hubs...

Heck, none of the spotters have even spotted test mules of 4WD sumo. If tata has to sell it it has to go to ARAI. Right?

We even see Quanto 4WD(export market only though) mules testing. Storme mules were testing and at ARAI.

So in the next one year or so, logic dictates, that Tata is not going to sell sumo 4x4 in any avatar because they haven't even sent it to ARAI for CMVR approval.

The day I see test mule spyshots, I will believe.
If everything shown at Expos made into production, you and me would be going to office in a flying car!

You are absolutely right. Sumo Extreme will not go with 4X4 . In the official website of Tata Motors the Sumo Extreme specifications reveal that it has only rear wheel drive system!

[ringoism]

Just FYI:

I wandered aimlessly into the Sumo showroom here in Manali a couple days ago, and seeing the Sumo Gold, and on a whim asked whether there was a 4x4 option. Salesman immediately told me it's available, 7.42lakh, one month delivery, 3.0DI 85bhp engine.

Vs. the Victa (as earlier shown in this thread), not finding anything about a 4x4 on Tata's current Sumo website (which is fantastic) nor in the owner's manual. Just weird.

Only real competition for a 4x4 Sumo would be the Bolero, and for anyone but a hard-core offroader, it seems the Sumo would really be the better vehicle for daily use (ride quality, interior space, power, highway prowess). How it is that M&M has been selling a quite a lot of Bolero 4x4's and Tata doesn't even seem to be really trying, is really pretty perplexing to me.

I'll admit that practically speaking, parts supply would probably be problematic as the vehicle aged... unless most of the mechanicals are shared with the Safari.

-Eric

[condor]

Originally Posted by ringoism

.. it seems the Sumo would really be the better vehicle for daily use (ride quality, interior space, power, highway prowess).

I'll admit that practically speaking, parts supply would probably be problematic as the vehicle aged... unless most of the mechanicals are shared with the Safari.

@Eric, I have used the Sumo Victa for 7 years, and have been very happy with it - esp for city use. Regarding parts, the 3.0L engine shares parts with the 207 Di. The rest of the vehicle will share parts with the Sumo. The only unique part about this vehicle is the chassis, which is 4x4 specific.

Hence I dont see a problem about parts.

(Coincidentally, even the Storme & Safari seem to have slightly diff chassis for the 4x4 versions)

[Kandisa]

Originally Posted by ringoism

..I wandered aimlessly into the Sumo showroom here in Manali a couple days ago, and seeing the Sumo Gold, and on a whim asked whether there was a 4x4 option. Salesman immediately told me it's available, 7.42lakh, one month delivery, 3.0DI 85bhp engine.....

Originally Posted by condor

...@Eric, I have used the Sumo Victa for 7 years, and have been very happy with it - esp for city use.

Just to clear my confusion, is this the model which is being talked about: http://www.carkhabri.com/overview/ta...ta-4x4-economy
Also referring to a previous post, is this the 4th model from the top?
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/suvs-m...ml#post2601362

[condor]

Yes, Kandisa - these look to be the same.

Many years ago, the 4x4 Victa was available with the 2.0L TCIC IDI engine. TML stopped that version, before they got the 4x4 with the 3.0L engine.

[Kandisa]

Originally Posted by condor

Yes, Kandisa - these look to be the same.
Many years ago, the 4x4 Victa was available with the 2.0L TCIC IDI engine. TML stopped that version, before they got the 4x4 with the 3.0L engine.

Okk. I am attaching the broad specs of both the Economy as well as the TC model as seen in that website and it looks like the difference between the two models are: front & rear power window, remote boot opener (unlocking the rear door?) & CD player. So even the economy model also has/had AC & PS.




If these are true, it gets me thinking the Victa 4x4 TC actually has/had almost all the creature comforts and overall a very nice package in a very lucrative price bracket!
@Eric, can you comment/confirm whether the model the salesman told you is this 'Victa 4x4 TC' model?

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by ringoism

Just FYI:

I wandered aimlessly into the Sumo showroom here in Manali a couple days ago, and seeing the Sumo Gold, and on a whim asked whether there was a 4x4 option. Salesman immediately told me it's available, 7.42lakh, one month delivery, 3.0DI 85bhp engine.

If I'm not mistaken, it is the CR4 version of 3L that develops 85 BHP. The DI version developed only 70, unless the specs have been changed recently.

[Kandisa]

Originally Posted by directinjection

If I'm not mistaken, it is the CR4 version of 3L that develops 85 BHP. The DI version developed only 70, unless the specs have been changed recently.

Actually i am not able to find out anything on the net which tells about a 4x4 version in the 85 bhp category. Even in the sumo gold thread, a post was made last year on the prices of various models (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post3178885)

Originally Posted by drsingh

heres a list of all variants available,including the 4wd!

SUMO GOLD CR4

cx 7/9 BS4 - 610813
lx 7/9 BS4 - 648113
ex 7/9 BS4 - 681822
gx 7/9 BS4 - 753853

SPACIO

spacio 6/9 BS3 -569073

SUMO

sumo 4x4 TC BS3 -840233

AMBULANCE

sumo ambulance BS3 -588696


The numbers following the models are seating options.
These prices are ex-showroom Ludhiana.

There is an additional 8000 charge as "logistic charges"

But it is not clear whether the 4x4 TC model is the 85 bhp variant.

[drsingh]

Originally Posted by Kandisa

Actually i am not able to find out anything on the net which tells about a 4x4 version in the 85 bhp category. Even in the sumo gold thread, a post was made last year on the prices of various models (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post3178885)

But it is not clear whether the 4x4 TC model is the 85 bhp variant.

If my memory serves me correctly, it's the 2.0 l turbo engine used in the entry level sumo grande mk2