[cityvic]

The Gallardo Balboni in Happier times at Budh Internation Circuit in October Last Year.

[shk_24]

Originally Posted by arjab

My condolences to the family of the deceased. Pray his soul rests in peace.

However, this brings us to a bigger question: (going slightly off topic here)

As sales of supercars & hypercars in India rise, it is high time that these car manufacturers introduce their Advanced Driving Training Courses alongwith selling their cars. These courses should be made mandatory and not an option with every vehicle sale.
Ferrari, Lambo, Bugatti et al all of their own advanced driving courses and I am sure the prospective owners of these highly specialised automobiles will be only too willing to learn from the specialists which will only improve their driving skills.
With the Buddh Circuit now available the availability of a venue is also not an issue.
A few months back we had the very unfortunate incident of Azharuddin's son passing away after crashing his superbike, and now this incident in Delhi.

I hope the Supercar OEM's are listening. The sooner they implement their courses the better .

One more accident.

We can discuss whether it was the road or driver or whatever else that caused the accident. I think no amount of driver training or road improvement will help us until we all learn to stick to basic rules. Why no seatbelt?, why drive higher than speed limit?, why overtake from left?. Come on guys this is not just one mistake but a series of things that were going wrong together.

I have paid fine for stopping on zebra crossing, crossing speed limit, parking in no parking, jumping signals etc and learnt the lessons. Fortunately all these events did not happen simultaneously for me to allow me to learn from mistakes and become more particular about road rules. But probability of such things happening simultaneously still by the sheer size of population and road users

[Warhound]

I went through the entire thread and am surprised at lots of people claiming that its OK for a supercar owner to drive recklessly 'within limits' as where else is he supposed to unleash the power of his car?, besides ofcourse the tedious drive to the nearest track.

Supercars in our neighborhood are more of a statement. All owners are fully aware the roads in India unlike the west will not allow for an enjoyable ride and yet they go ahead with purchases. But at the same time, this cannot be at the expense of the public under any circumstances. Period.

Yes, its just another accident and yes over India at least 10 people would have died today due to errant trucks. This certainly doesn't deserve the media glare its receiving.

A speeding super car is just as much as fault as a truck that caused an accident. There is no need to justify either.

[apachelongbow]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

Speed control is a good start, but really, we are not talking about speed control. Speed control is keeping within the speed limit, or, at least, exceeding it (few are perfect) by a small margin.

Driving at twice, thrice, or even bigger multiples of the speed limit is way beyond simple speeding: it is criminally irresponsible recklessness. It does not matter if it is an Indica or a Lambo, and it doesn't matter if the driver is an inexperienced kid or a seasoned rally/track driver.

Really Sir? I am not siding with the dead driver, but frankly speaking some of our Indian speed limits are beyond ridiculous. For example in the Mumbai Pune expressway on the ghats some sections are marked 20kmph, 30kmph where as all of us take those sections between 70-90kmph.... is this over speeding? or should we drive at 30kmph?

[diksh]

What a tragic incident. May his soul RIP. Only that person knows, what actually happened at the time of accident.
It may be the case that some body came before him suddenly and he lost the control of the car.

[Scorcher]

An article from Motoroids on the aftermath of this crash,

Sports cars companies in India stress on good driving skills

Now, a report in Times of India states that many companies selling these high end sportscars have been conducting orientation programmes for their customers on the “right way” to drive. Exclusive Motors, the importer for Lamborghini, Bentley and Bugatti, as well as for cars from popular and established manufacturers like BMW and Mercedes, says that safety and the need for responsible driving is talked about with customers from the very start of their ownership experience. “Orientation (on the product) is always there and we also conduct regular programmes for customers,” Satya Bagla, managing director of Exclusive Motors, told TOI.

[cranky]

First, peaceful rest to the deceased.

This gentleman has an office in the same building that I do. I am exposed to many of the proclivities of the family, their cars and drivers and their habits and attitudes towards every other form of human life who is not at the same level as them. The less I reveal about the source or details of my knowledge the better for my sake.

Even if this kind of thing teaches one person - any one person - a bit of human respect, I would think it was not in vain.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by ac 427

)Even if you hit someone (who is on a cycle) at 30 kmph - the guy on the cycle mostly will end up like the way he has right now.

Actually, probably not. 30kph is less than 30MPH. One reason that 30MPH is commonly the speed limit of any "built-up" area in UK is that there is a good chance that a pedestrian hit at that speed will survive. At even 35MPH or 40MPH, there is a good chance they will die.

Speed does matter.

Morality is out of question here, no one is right and no-one is wrong. It is all situational.

There is a pretty strange definition of morality in there somewhere. Situations don't happen: people make them happen.

Media will play up stories which benefit them, and will not talk about serious but supposedly boring stories.

True, of course, and the day that the media, and the public in general, pay more attention to every death and accident just might be the day people start driving to avoid them, in all cars, at all prices.

Originally Posted by apachelongbow

Really Sir? I am not siding with the dead driver, but frankly speaking some of our Indian speed limits are beyond ridiculous. For example in the Mumbai Pune expressway on the ghats some sections are marked 20kmph, 30kmph where as all of us take those sections between 70-90kmph.... is this over speeding? or should we drive at 30kmph?

I have never said that I obey every speed limit, although I do find that 40kph is a satisfactory limit for most streets in this city. I can think of one 6-lane Chennai road where the limit is 40kph. Yes, I have exceeded, and many routinely double that speed. Is that safe? On a stretch of straight, six-lane road, legal or not, it just might be, whether legal or not but, the road is used by pedestrians, cyclists, tricycle carts; there are joining roads from which vehicles emerge without warning, sometimes without looking. So how safe is 80kph, taking all those things into consideration?

It is the total picture that must be considered, and it includes all road users. Personally, I don't think that, for instance, a group of people have any right to be walking, three or four abreast, on Chennai's OMR, especially when there is a service lane a couple of metres away, on which they could be relatively safe. I think those pedestrians, as well as those that ignore footpaths and walk in the road are stupid, and, being no saint, I often treat them to an earblast of the Polo's excellent horn. I do not think that stupidity deserves a death sentence.

The Maximum speed limit in UK, on motorways and unrestricted 4-lane roads, is 70MPH (about 112kph?) and just about any car that is not falling apart is perfectly adequate and capable of those speeds. In the worst accident I ever had (no injuries, but the cars didn't do too well out of it) I was driving at the speed limit of 50MPH. I had just seen the sign, and slowed to that speed. My lesson of the day? Even the legal speed limit is not necessarily the safe speed.

Without ever claiming to be perfect, I'm sad to see many of the statements and attitudes in this thread. Isn't Team-BHP supposed to be about striving for high standards? Or is it really only about striving for high speeds?

[ac 427]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

Actually, probably not. 30kph is less than 30MPH. One reason that 30MPH is commonly the speed limit of any "built-up" area in UK is that there is a good chance that a pedestrian hit at that speed will survive. At even 35MPH or 40MPH, there is a good chance they will die.

Speed does matter.

'Probably' - that is a the key word here!

There is a pretty strange definition of morality in there somewhere. Situations don't happen: people make them happen.

Exactly - had the supposed rich spoilt brat kept a check on his speed or the cyclist had been morecarefull. I agree with you here.

True, of course, and the day that the media, and the public in general, pay more attention to every death and accident just might be the day people start driving to avoid them, in all cars, at all prices.

I would be really happy if there was a 40 page thread on the maveric bus driver who went on a rampage - or abt the killer dumper trucks who regularly kill in mumbai. I truly will be happy.


I'm sad to see many of the statements and attitudes in this thread. Isn't Team-BHP supposed to be about striving for high standards? Or is it really only about striving for high speeds?

Every one has freedom to share his pov - and If what I have read the thread correctly no one is vehemently saying that the guy in car was right, all they are saying that he is not 100 percent wrong. !!

Again this discussion for me is a dead discussion.

Cheers
Ac

[Lalvaz]

Originally Posted by apachelongbow

Really Sir? I am not siding with the dead driver, but frankly speaking some of our Indian speed limits are beyond ridiculous. For example in the Mumbai Pune expressway on the ghats some sections are marked 20kmph, 30kmph where as all of us take those sections between 70-90kmph.... is this over speeding? or should we drive at 30kmph?

No offence to anyone, but there is a reason why certain sections are marked at 20 or 30kmph, especially on the ghats. Some spots are known as accident prone spots, and fact is you won't know about it just by seeing it. So Yes, you ought to slow down when you see a really low speed limit on a certain section of the ghats. Its probably there for a reason.

Remember the road is used by all classes of users, and in India, I sometimes wonder if there really is a safe speed to drive at. What I do know is that 150 kmph is definitely not a safe speed, especially not on a road in any major Indian city.

[Thad E Ginathom]

all they are saying that he is not 100 percent wrong. !!

I think many of us are saying that he was 100% wrong, even if we are considerably over-estimating the guesses at the speeds involved.

Many of us are are also sad that some of the attitudes are also 100% wrong.

In the middle ages, in Europe, one could buy forgiveness from one's sins from the church. People who were rich enough could do what they wanted. It seems that some people think that applies to roads today.

By the way, I am not rich, but I am not poor either, and I am sufficiently privileged that I do not have to work for my modest income. I have nothing against money!

Again this discussion for me is a dead discussion.

Yes. I think it's time to delete it from the subscriptions list.

[suhaas307]

While I do believe that he is 100% wrong, just like many others who drive/ride in the city, beyond their abilities. He is not the only one who is absolutely wrong. So are the thousands who drive recklessly, and have no regard for speed-limits, other citizens' lives and their own. So is the Govt. for not providing us with proper roads and a safe environment.

There are many who go on to defend him, saying he is not wrong/right. You'll are entitled to your opinions. After all, Team BHP is a platform where one can share their views and thoughts on this matter, and other topics as well. That's the beauty of this forum. It allows for good debate and discussion.

However, at this point I'd like to say that this accident has resulted in the loss of life and has put another's at great risk of losing his. Nothing much can be done about this now, except that we could observe 2 minutes of silence - praying for the departed soul and for the cyclist's speedy-recovery.

I sincerely request everyone who reads this to close your eyes for a few minutes and pray for them, for a moment.

A lot has been discussed about this incident. If anyone has concrete information that they'd like to share, I request them to report this post (Report Posts : Contribute in Maintaining Team-BHP's post quality) so that I can open this thread for posting.

Until then, this thread will be closed.

[Shrayus_shirali]

An update on the car, looks like it’s being restored to its original condition at a garage called EMW India.


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